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in the past the gold standard of

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paranormal radio and now here's Jean

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we have another co-host at the end of

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the year we'll have 50 co-hosts ladies

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and gentlemen or we'll have just the

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four we have now Nick Redfern Chris

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O'Brien Paul Campbell and a special

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power cast welcome to Greg Bishop

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hey there welcome aboard now as our

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listeners know I started in this crazy

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business working for traditional radio a

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real radio station and you know you

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never know what that means to anybody I

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don't think it means very much but the

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fact of the matter is that you work for

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pirate radio I don't know if I worked

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for pirate radio there was a pirate

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radio station in Los Angeles called KB

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LT it ran from 1998 to 2000 and I was on

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from a few months after it started up

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till when they got busted by the FCC and

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then they went back on the air again and

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the FCC busted them again and then that

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was it but for two years I was yeah I

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was broadcasting on a on an unauthorized

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to FM frequency in Los Angeles and it

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actually won best radio station in Los

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Angeles two years in a row by the LA

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Weekly I think not as interesting - why

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couldn't they just get a regular

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traditional broadcast license or can you

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even get those anymore if you've got a

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couple million dollars you can maybe

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think about possibly getting a radio

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station license I think it's probably

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more than a million dollars that's why

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they all you know the only radio you

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hear is stations that are owned by mega

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corporations those are the only ones

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that can could can afford it so I think

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that's why people voted the station like

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that because it was it was so different

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you know it was just basically a bunch

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of people who are really into music and

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and the

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and talk and things like that doing

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exactly what they wanted to that seems

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to be a recipe for a good time most of

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the time also recipe for online radio as

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a matter of fact but yes part of the

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situation in the broadcast industry is

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this when I worked in radio there were

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all small businesses except for the big

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cities where the stations were owned by

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the TV networks yeah II and CBS know

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what happened is all those stations were

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purchased by large conglomerates CBS

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Clear Channel they each own hundreds of

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stations you go to a big city like LA in

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New York Chicago Phoenix Philadelphia

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you'll find that one company owns ten or

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fifteen competing stations but they

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don't compete what they do is they carve

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out the audience and each one takes a

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portion of it right and they do it and

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they do it by formula and you can tell

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that by listening to the stations which

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is why I never listen to the radio

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anymore because it's none of its

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interesting to me I guess that means

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that we're blessed or stuck with

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internet radio which is you know when I

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I'm not as old as you really not quite a

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buddy is by the way really right but

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when I was a kid I would never have

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dreamed that you could go on your

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computer and what anybody had a computer

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and listen to practically anything you

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wanted it's it's like a dream come true

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well is that saying that if a station

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calls me up and says yes we'd like to

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carry the power cast I'd say no I

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wouldn't it's just that we powers not a

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lot of opportunities means you can

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listen on a regular radio AM and FM you

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can get stations there you get satellite

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radio you get internet radio we have

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choices

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that's what's great but speaking of

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radio I came out as a regular disc

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jockey and later as a newscaster because

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I could put more than two words together

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coherently good time that's a marketable

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skill I guess it was it was that time

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maybe not anymore but in these days you

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know with blogosphere and everything I

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think that sometimes you wonder whether

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people can write in the traditional way

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anymore it's oh no they can't I'm

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getting paid to do sometimes writing

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gigs just boring things because they

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can't find anybody to put more than one

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sentence together that makes any sense

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makes any sense is in vaguely proper

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English is spelled right and that

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doesn't have to be edited to my

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that's an even more marketable skill

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than talking apparently well I used to

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do that they don't really send me the

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assignments anymore I wonder about that

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I have to look into it but seriously

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speaking of all the things one can do in

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radio and writing why did you select

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UFOs I don't know really it's you know

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what you do you do some especially if

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you're not being paid for which is

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what's the the what the deal is for most

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people they're into it and that you hear

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about including you and other radio

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hosts especially in the internet you do

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because you want to you do because it's

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a subject that interests you and then

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you hope at some point you know somebody

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might recognize it or you can hustle a

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little bit I was interested in it when I

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was a kid and then I lost the interests

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when I was in junior high in high school

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because there were you know girls and

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drugs and cars and then after college I

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got interested in it again and I I

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really don't have any idea why although

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I did get interested again when I had a

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very bad couple of weeks following a

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very bad year and I don't know why but

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suddenly it was interesting to me again

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because because my mindset changed I

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guess and I think I what it did actually

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was it may have saved my life being

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interested in weird stuff it certainly

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got me interested in research writing

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and I've met so many great people

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through it including yourself and a lot

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of the guests you've had on in our guest

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today speaking of our guest today

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Walter Bosley tell me about him Walter

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yeah I'll tell you how we met because

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this is this is I like the story david

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childress if you know who he is of

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course Adventures unlimited press he was

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having a conference in Kempton Illinois

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which is in the middle of nowhere but

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it's it's his base of operations because

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he can he basically can do what he wants

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in that town I don't mean illegally

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anyway he was having a conference there

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and Walter showed up because Walter was

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one of his readers as interested in some

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of the stuff and a couple people started

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saying oh don't talk to him he's he used

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to be in the Air Force and FBI he's a

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government guy and so I immediately

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thought weird

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guy hanging around a anomalous

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phenomenon conference I have to talk to

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him so I was the only one that ended up

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talking to him besides Ken Thomas

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strangely enough that one of the

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best-known conspiracy writers and we

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went on from there and he's been a

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co-host with me on my show since 2004 I

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think quite a while five or six years

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and we've done a lot of stuff together

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in projects together and we remain

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friends and he's still on the show

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regularly as as a co-host on writing

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mysterioso on Sundays and we'll have

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Walter Bosley who strikes me as somewhat

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of a character here he's got a really

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fascinating background we'll hear about

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that with our new co-host Greg Bishop

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coming up next on the very cast

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thanks for listening I hope you're

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listening to the parrot talk hey the

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guest this week for my first stint here

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on the podcast is Walter Bosley it's

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been a friend of mine for years now and

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he remains a friend because he's one of

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those people that continually amazes

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befuddle Xand teaches me and that's how

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I keep friends Walter thanks for coming

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on the show well thanks for such a great

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intro thanks for having me back guys you

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see after he doesn't intro like that we

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don't need to continue we just that's

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right well he got it bad I learned more

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from him and everybody I meet through it

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well then you know we if everybody

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thinks are getting the better part of

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the deal and it must be a good deal if

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it is a deal making friends I though I

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guess though is some people it is kind

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of a deal especially if you live in

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Hollywood Walter knows that yeah I know

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what relationships as deals are about

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boom Jean do you have a little rimshot

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thing that you should that's after the

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board that's too tight really I used to

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have one at the pirate station I used it

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well you know we'll use those things

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because I just think it's trite

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I think sound effects its right and I

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think instead let's just do it for real

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I know I know

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this was when I was first starting out a

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radio Walter and I introduction I said

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that when we met it was a Dave

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Childress's conference in Kempton yes I

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can't remember a year that was was 2001

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maybe no 2004 before okay I said four

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first and that people were whispering

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hey that guy is a government man you

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shouldn't talk to him which made me want

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to talk to you immediately

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so it for people that don't know who you

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are what kind of government man were you

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and it's it's rather extensive if people

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don't know I spent I in total 19 years

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affiliated with Uncle Sam my first six

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were with the FBI I was a

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counterintelligence specialist which

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meant that I did you know investigative

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support work in a shallow undercover

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role usually and you know on the street

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in the field

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I was credentialed I just was not an

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agent and then I earned my Commission in

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the Air Force and went immediately into

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the Air Force Office of Special

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Investigations where I spent almost

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another six years just about mostly

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running counter espionage operations and

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doing counterintelligence investigations

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as a special agent badge credential gun

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to the whole thing during which time I

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did a deployment to Saudi Arabia and

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then after coming off active duty I

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worked for just under six years in the

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field of corporate personnel security in

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an anti-terrorism type of vein

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I helped keep pricing all over the world

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what's that what does that mean

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corporate security and an anti-terrorism

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vein I worked in a capacity where for

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whoever the client was I would go

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anywhere on the face of the earth

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and do threat assessment work on their

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personal living situation on their

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routes to and from work and then I would

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work with them to determine the best

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routes and the best ways for them to

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avoid being a target of terrorism

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and also gave support to the hunt for

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terrorists this was between 2000 and the

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summer of 2005 and that took me to Iraq

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of course that warzone took me to

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Afghanistan a few times Sudan and and

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some you know more vacation like spots I

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had a good mix in there the people who

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are shall we say conspiracy minded

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they're going to say well this guy

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worked as a government operative is he

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here as a disinformation specialist next

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yes they would ask that I have been

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asked that before and no in in I assure

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you never have I ever appeared on this

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or any other show like it in any

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capacity for Uncle Sam they in fact they

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they know I'm doing it I have old

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colleagues who have contacted me and I

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think they roll her eyes and get a

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chuckle but I have never provided any

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kind of disinformation and there will be

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people who won't believe that either but

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oh well they all get questioned of

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course Walter is does the government

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even know anything that to be disclosed

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well as I was gonna say the people that

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would never believe me also are the ones

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who believe that disclosures right

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around the corner you know what my

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opinion on what the government knows I

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came to a personal conclusion out of

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experience in OSI with how material is

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guarded and classified and I believe

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that the custodian of the information

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objects whatever the evidence is is

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probably in the hands of a private

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concern for instance private companies

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are not required by law to reveal or

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disclose anything if it's proprietary

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information like the government after a

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while that people say hey what's going

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on with UFOs after a while you know you

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under the law you would be able to get

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that out of them but by shifting it over

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to a private corporation private party

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under the law you would not necessarily

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have to but you would not have to they

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would not have to reveal it to the

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public and aside for example they can

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call up Steve Jobs over at Apple and say

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Steve we got the secret of UFOs here

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but of course you're the most secretive

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company on the planet you can get the

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secret better than anyone here it is

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yeah exactly and they would not have to

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turn it over and it gives Uncle Sam

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culpable deniability now remember this

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is my conclusion drawn from my

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experience this is not some official

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policy I'm I'm just saying that that's

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what I believe if they had it and

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whatever they have that is probably the

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best way for Uncle Sam to shift it over

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and have culpable deniability to the

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public saying you know we don't have any

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flying saucers we don't have any data

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like this if you go to one infinite loop

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in Cupertino California they might yeah

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and they wouldn't have to share it with

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the public and as we know we joke about

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this but now I bet that some of the exo

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politics people are going to be calling

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Apple corporate communications to say

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can Walter Bosley sit Apple exactly the

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UFOs well let's go back into your

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experience in government did your

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interest in UFOs precede that or as a

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result ordering o years before preceded

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it i grew up with my dad telling me

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strange little stories about a place

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that I would come to learn was

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Roswell and we had UFO books around the

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house and I was interested in it for

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many years and they still let me in they

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didn't even let you into the air force

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well FBI yeah well of course you don't

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talk about that stuff in interviews but

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yeah so no I I'd been interested in this

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from you know childhood now you alluded

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to something when we had you on

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previously and going into your

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background about your father's knowledge

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about Roswell yes and we now that we

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have you and just you and Greg here in

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the room sure virtually if nothing else

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tell us about what did your father do

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and how did he know it well most of the

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details are in an April 2005 article in

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fate magazine which I wrote under my

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fiction pseudonym me a guest because my

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employment at the time was you know

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sensitive enough that I didn't want to

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put it under

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my real name but since then I have come

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out and you know admitted and said hey

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that that is me but basically my dad was

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in the Air Force in the late 50s and he

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worked in what you call aerospace

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medicine and he ran pilots through the

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altitude chambers and things like that

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and the unit he was with at George Air

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Force Base they did the ground testing

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on the mercury space program pressure

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suits the silver ones that you see in

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the movie the right stuff and because he

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did this work he had a pretty high

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clearance and he tells the story of

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going off on an assignment to Texas and

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the plane making a northward banking

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turn somewhere over Louisiana and an

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intelligence officer coming out from the

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near the cockpit of the aircraft and

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informing him and the guys he was with

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that they were indeed heading to

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wright-patterson and would be briefed on

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their you know the actualities of their

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assignment when they got there they were

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briefed in he says on Roswell and they

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were shown the bodies and they were told

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what these people were and where they

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were from and then after that he was

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briefed in on a program that they were

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being pulled into that basically was a

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retrieval operation because he was told

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it had happened again another crash this

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time in eastern Arizona after getting

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briefed in and on the mission in right

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at wright-patt in Ohio they were then

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flown to Arizona where they were part of

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a very large retrieval operation which

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took them also underground in some

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subterranean areas were they according

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to him encountered the people from whose

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civilization this craft came from one of

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the things I'll say right off bat which

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certainly the skeptics will ask okay

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how was he allowed to say this to you

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and you having worked with the

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government how are you allowed to repeat

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it well you know he had started telling

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me parts of this story from the time I

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was a kid and that was already almost 20

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years after he got out and he would only

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tell little

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by the time he told me what I just told

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you the whole big thing like that

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you know we're talking just you know

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like five or six years ago and I was

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already out of the Air Force you know

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five or six years five years by then and

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you know I can talk about this cuz I was

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never briefed about this any time during

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my employment with the Air Force OSI or

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any government entity so my view is

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unless I was sitting in a vault

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somewhere in a little room and being

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briefed in on this and in it's covered

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under what I signed it's fair game do we

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fan maybe there is like a warehouse 13

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where the government keeps all this

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stuff on ice or again is does Apple

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Computer have warehouse 13 it well

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whoever has it of course it exists I

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mean you got to have a place to store

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something I would say look at Denver you

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know with all the interesting mysterious

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things going on you know underground

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near the airport there I would say look

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there it's smack dab in the middle of

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our mainland and you got a lot of

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military around there a lot of high

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technical stuff I would say look in the

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Denver area I think that's where that's

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my guest now and it seems like a really

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light reason to say Denver you have any

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other reasons why you it's you said said

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this to me to why you would think that's

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that a hangar 18 kind of thing would be

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located in Denver because it just a

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hunch

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I've heard over the years and learned

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and things you know that were alluded to

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when I was in the Air Force about yeah I

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mean we know that there's some major Air

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Force technology installations there in

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the Denver area I I heard about that

499
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while I was on active duty it to me it

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makes good operational sense that if

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you're gonna have you know your your big

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secret vault that's where I would put it

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let's go back to your dad's experience

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because there's the share questions I'd

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like to kind of get clarified here okay

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right what did he see or observe about

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the bodies traditional greys or

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something else

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no not the traditional Grey's at all in

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fact that used to amuse the hell out of

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him he said that they were pretty much

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looked like us but without body hair and

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the way he described their hands that

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their their fingers were longer but he

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said they pretty much were like us but

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without body hair and he claimed that

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the people he met underground were as

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human as you or I they were basically

519
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human beings at in a remote past

520
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Cataclysm surface Cataclysm had gone

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underground for survival and many of

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them just chose to stay down there it

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sounds like The Legend of the DeRozan

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teros

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number of legends of hidden underground

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civilizations and that doesn't

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necessarily mean I personally believe in

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a big Hollow Earth you know literal

529
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sense but there is a lot of evidence for

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vast habitable underground you know

531
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pockets underneath are our surface of

532
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our planet and this this is what he said

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is true this is what he told me he

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witnessed now based on what dad

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witnessed what he explained to you and

536
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these experiences

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now we segue to the 1990s in the book

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the day after Roswell the burns and and

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Philip Corso right he's saying ok they

540
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recovered alien technology he was the

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bagman who went to private industry and

542
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said here's stuff like night vision

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goggles the low-hanging fruit that we

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can possibly shall we say exploit or

545
00:23:05,710 --> 00:23:01,990
learn something about and

546
00:23:07,539 --> 00:23:05,720
reverse-engineer so if we take what

547
00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:07,549
happened to your father hmm

548
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:10,100
and we then moved to this other book

549
00:23:14,889 --> 00:23:12,610
which is very controversial as you know

550
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:14,899
do you think that's possible do you

551
00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:16,809
think Corso may have been involved in I

552
00:23:26,049 --> 00:23:21,340
think that I think it's possible that

553
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:26,059
Corso consciously presented material

554
00:23:32,529 --> 00:23:30,110
that allowed the public to assume the et

555
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,539
hypothesis maybe to feed the ET

556
00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:34,000
hypothesis

557
00:23:40,050 --> 00:23:38,230
no I have to refer to you know the the

558
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:40,060
the the Nazi theory

559
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:42,250
I'm just look at Joseph Farrell's book

560
00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:43,930
Roswell on the Reich for those who

561
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:46,030
aren't familiar with the Nazi theory

562
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:48,490
read that book because that book is

563
00:23:55,050 --> 00:23:53,400
singularly the most detailed look and

564
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,060
investigation if you will or

565
00:24:00,810 --> 00:23:58,000
presentation of any theory about Roswell

566
00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:00,820
ever presented well you accept his

567
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:03,550
theories being one that shall we say is

568
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:05,410
accurate Wow

569
00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:08,650
you know what it's so far the most

570
00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:11,140
accurate that we have available yeah

571
00:24:15,630 --> 00:24:13,270
because when you study what the Germans

572
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:15,640
were actually researching when you look

573
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:17,770
at the evidence and when you look at you

574
00:24:21,870 --> 00:24:19,450
know all the you know that the UFO

575
00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:21,880
events in question over the years and

576
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:23,680
you look at it from that point of view

577
00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:27,730
it makes far more sense than ET or

578
00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:32,200
underground people or you know anything

579
00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:37,300
else okay so we accept then if we assume

580
00:24:42,510 --> 00:24:40,030
that all this is accurate is it possible

581
00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:42,520
your father was telling you a story or

582
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:44,440
was given a cover story in the course of

583
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:46,570
his work this is not exactly what was

584
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:51,070
going on yes I do believe that the cover

585
00:24:59,370 --> 00:24:54,970
though however was presented to him as

586
00:25:01,170 --> 00:24:59,380
truth and I was told it's kind of

587
00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:01,180
interesting there's kind of an official

588
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:02,740
way I learned things and then there's

589
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:05,770
kind of an unofficial that I take as

590
00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:07,890
official and and one of those sources

591
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:10,630
pretty much explained to me that they

592
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:14,370
had started using hypnosis back then to

593
00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:16,510
you know kind of keep people from

594
00:25:24,030 --> 00:25:19,660
talking about certain things or possibly

595
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:24,040
in in my conclusion on that question you

596
00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:26,530
just ask it is possible that they might

597
00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:29,320
have put in his head the version he told

598
00:25:33,780 --> 00:25:31,270
me but I mean I will tell you he

599
00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:33,790
absolutely believed what he was telling

600
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:36,550
me because I saw the emotional reaction

601
00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:39,010
that he went through because a man he

602
00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:41,230
describes a man being killed by the

603
00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:42,790
technology of one of the underground

604
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:44,560
people one of the guys that my dad was

605
00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:46,870
working with and he gets really motion

606
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:48,040
the point of the story where he's

607
00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:50,590
talking about this this they kind of ran

608
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:52,990
into these people down below and it was

609
00:25:57,390 --> 00:25:55,330
not intended to be a hostile kind of

610
00:25:59,910 --> 00:25:57,400
thing but because of miscommunication

611
00:26:02,760 --> 00:25:59,920
and such that's what happened and he

612
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:02,770
gets he got he's passed away since he

613
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:07,360
was murdered and he he got very

614
00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:10,210
emotional and I as an agent I learned

615
00:26:13,770 --> 00:26:12,190
interview and interrogation techniques

616
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:13,780
and some of the things you learn is is

617
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:15,940
how to talk with somebody and read them

618
00:26:19,890 --> 00:26:17,830
and question them in a way to get to the

619
00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:19,900
C if they're lying and I used everything

620
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,030
I know on the man and he was not lying

621
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:24,400
to me now he could have been telling me

622
00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:26,050
a cover story he didn't realize was a

623
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:29,140
cover story but he was not lying to me

624
00:26:39,780 --> 00:26:37,430
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625
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picture this you're on the phone with a

626
00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:42,070
client or colleague trying to explain

627
00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:45,220
something visual a PowerPoint a keynote

628
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:47,470
presentation a website but it's

629
00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:50,110
frustrating because they can't see what

630
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you're talking about the solution good

631
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632
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633
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634
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their computer screen so you can show

635
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them what you're talking about I use

636
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637
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638
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639
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641
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642
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:37,090
I believe my co-host is Greg Bishop our

643
00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:40,490
guest is Walter Bosley and we have some

644
00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:43,160
very unusual stuff going on here folks

645
00:27:48,490 --> 00:27:46,100
some very unusual information and we're

646
00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:48,500
going to explore it further okay now

647
00:27:54,370 --> 00:27:51,260
with this background gleaned over a

648
00:27:57,670 --> 00:27:54,380
number of years you're working for the

649
00:27:59,800 --> 00:27:57,680
Air Force yeah you're our specialist

650
00:28:01,180 --> 00:27:59,810
counterintelligence you were also

651
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:01,190
stationed at wright-patterson Air Force

652
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:04,460
Base which at one time we all call UFO

653
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:06,770
central because of the president Project

654
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:07,490
Blue Book there

655
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,170
okay so while you were over at

656
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:11,120
wright-patterson did you see anything

657
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:11,810
weird

658
00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:13,130
while I was at wright-patt the one

659
00:28:19,930 --> 00:28:16,430
strange thing I saw or experienced was

660
00:28:22,090 --> 00:28:19,940
in the unmarked black helicopter rising

661
00:28:24,850 --> 00:28:22,100
up out of a corn field between Fairborn

662
00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:24,860
and Yellow Springs one the one late

663
00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:29,060
afternoon and when I inquired about it I

664
00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:33,230
was told that oh yeah it was associated

665
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:36,400
with a federal agency that whose work is

666
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:39,110
very far removed from anything to do

667
00:28:45,370 --> 00:28:42,230
with UFOs and and I recall we we all had

668
00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:45,380
kind of a good laugh on now my gosh what

669
00:28:48,790 --> 00:28:46,760
are they thinking when they saw this

670
00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:48,800
black helicopter rise out of the

671
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:53,150
cornfield you know but I you know while

672
00:28:58,290 --> 00:28:54,410
I was there during the course of my work

673
00:29:02,170 --> 00:28:58,300
yeah I had access to technology

674
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:02,180
information data that I cannot discuss

675
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:05,600
that you know naturally in the course of

676
00:29:11,140 --> 00:29:08,360
my duties I would have I did learn some

677
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,150
interesting things about you know how

678
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:13,760
some advanced airforce platforms work

679
00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:17,210
and you know stuff I can't talk about

680
00:29:24,340 --> 00:29:21,860
but no I did not see any hangar 18 or

681
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:24,350
you know any stored flying saucers or

682
00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:26,090
such like that if they ever work right

683
00:29:31,450 --> 00:29:29,150
pad I guarantee you they're not likely

684
00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:31,460
there anymore and haven't been there for

685
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:33,350
a long time or maybe it's above your pay

686
00:29:39,890 --> 00:29:37,250
grade my well pay grade

687
00:29:43,670 --> 00:29:39,900
doesn't necessarily equate to clearance

688
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:43,680
levels I had a clearance level quite

689
00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:46,260
high above some pay grades well above

690
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,350
mine well there's another point too and

691
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:50,880
I have to ask the same question again if

692
00:29:56,380 --> 00:29:52,020
you did see something

693
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:56,390
Kujo can tell us l know and I wouldn't I

694
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:58,770
got a question for you this is one I've

695
00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:01,380
given to people I know who are like you

696
00:30:06,290 --> 00:30:03,420
Dodi and people like that while you were

697
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,300
at wright-patt or anytime in your duties

698
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:08,820
anywhere in an official capacity did you

699
00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:14,790
ever see or hear or get briefed into

700
00:30:18,410 --> 00:30:16,350
anything that would make most of us go

701
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:18,420
holy crap you know that that's that I

702
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:20,610
didn't even know the government could do

703
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:22,290
that I didn't even know we had that kind

704
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:24,570
of technology you know back then and

705
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:27,450
then and maybe now because of right now

706
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:28,860
might be about the time we might be

707
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:32,730
finding out about it well as you could

708
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:35,490
guess if I were officially briefed in on

709
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:38,880
it again good I couldn't acknowledge but

710
00:30:42,410 --> 00:30:40,290
you know I was talking about your

711
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:42,420
reaction I'm sorry what the technology

712
00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:45,240
is but your reaction and the possible

713
00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:47,160
reaction of people very gonna have to

714
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:48,900
discuss what it is but you can make P

715
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:52,080
give people kind of a idea of what was

716
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:53,940
this technology that you were sworn to

717
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:56,910
protect and you know it could it be

718
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:00,120
mistaken for the UFO start that we often

719
00:31:06,170 --> 00:31:03,840
see and talk about yes yes I did hear

720
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,180
about something from someone who would

721
00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:09,360
know that it was I will say that it was

722
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:14,900
a something that's launched in an

723
00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:17,730
unconventional manner unconventional

724
00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:19,230
meaning what we're used to

725
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:24,060
and that right there could explain it

726
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:25,620
could explain some of the things you

727
00:31:32,170 --> 00:31:28,290
yourself have investigated and when I

728
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:32,180
heard about it I was I was impressed and

729
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,070
you know I whenever you hear about

730
00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:37,440
certain capabilities and how things

731
00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:40,560
actually work there there are some very

732
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:43,700
interesting surprises you know in there

733
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:46,770
yeah yeah and lightning and absolutely

734
00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:47,940
these are things one of the first

735
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:50,860
thoughts that comes to your mind is wow

736
00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:53,350
this is what these folks think is a

737
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:55,750
flying saucer or something from another

738
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:58,450
planet what did you think of that a guy

739
00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:00,100
last week that was on the show with us

740
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:01,960
saying that there were lighter than air

741
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:04,090
craft they could do in incredible fast

742
00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:05,530
maneuvers and things like that did that

743
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:07,240
sound plausible to you

744
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:09,610
yeah I mean I'm not gonna say it's

745
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:12,190
implausible that you know that there are

746
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:13,929
lighter than air crafts that you know

747
00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:15,490
that can do amazing things

748
00:32:23,789 --> 00:32:19,630
my only difficulty was based on his work

749
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:23,799
in that he seemed to not be as open to

750
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:26,799
other things and my my experience has

751
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:27,730
been there's a lot of

752
00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:29,650
compartmentalization that's what it's

753
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:31,780
all about and when you're when you're in

754
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:34,480
that world most of the guys I know and

755
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:36,490
myself you come away going well I know

756
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:38,950
what I experienced I know what I was

757
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:40,750
briefed in on I know what I work with

758
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:42,910
but I don't know what the guys down the

759
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:44,890
hall and the program I've not read in on

760
00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:47,470
I don't know what they're doing and I'm

761
00:32:51,299 --> 00:32:49,960
not gonna say that you know anything out

762
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:51,309
of the scope of what I worked is

763
00:32:56,430 --> 00:32:54,280
impossible or probably not likely I'm

764
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:56,440
not about to say that in a matter of

765
00:33:00,840 --> 00:32:58,510
fact it's usually quite the opposite

766
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:00,850
it's wow the stuff I've seen as possible

767
00:33:03,659 --> 00:33:03,130
then hmm you know I wonder what they're

768
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:03,669
doing

769
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:06,370
yeah and that was when you that was when

770
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:08,230
you were active which was the early to

771
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:13,000
mid 90s right it was from I I was I I

772
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:16,270
reported to OTS in August of 1993

773
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:18,340
reported OSI I was commissioned in

774
00:33:27,030 --> 00:33:22,960
November 1942 OSI Academy in I believe

775
00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:27,040
January of 94 Walker we have some other

776
00:33:33,390 --> 00:33:30,340
people who were once in the military who

777
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:33,400
had become controversial new foe field

778
00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:38,410
such as Richard Doty Collins yeah what

779
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:39,190
about them

780
00:33:43,650 --> 00:33:41,140
do we take anything that they say

781
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:43,660
seriously Walter I never met them I

782
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:45,010
don't know them personally it's

783
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:49,090
interesting my training agent when I got

784
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:50,740
my first assignment as an OSI agent was

785
00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:53,650
a guy named Bob Collins and and I never

786
00:33:59,159 --> 00:33:56,260
met Richard Doty his name was brought up

787
00:34:01,860 --> 00:33:59,169
on one particular project I did as kind

788
00:34:04,409 --> 00:34:01,870
of a cautionary tale but you know I

789
00:34:07,049 --> 00:34:04,419
never met the man I I don't know him I

790
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:07,059
you know so I can't really pass a

791
00:34:15,569 --> 00:34:10,740
judgement I just can't do it so I won't

792
00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:15,579
but I would say listen to what people

793
00:34:23,970 --> 00:34:20,260
say try to do your own follow up on what

794
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:23,980
they say your own don't really take if

795
00:34:28,829 --> 00:34:25,569
at all possible if you could not take

796
00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:28,839
someone else's word go out or sit down

797
00:34:32,700 --> 00:34:31,030
and look into it to yourself and then

798
00:34:34,619 --> 00:34:32,710
draw your own conclusions

799
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:34,629
another thing people don't realize is

800
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:37,450
that when you're in OSI in certain

801
00:34:42,690 --> 00:34:39,460
capacities you've you're given a lot of

802
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:42,700
latitude to do things to accomplish your

803
00:34:47,819 --> 00:34:45,450
mission isn't that right Walter you are

804
00:34:50,099 --> 00:34:47,829
trusted to go out there and do your job

805
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:50,109
and because you have a very

806
00:34:56,730 --> 00:34:52,990
well-thought-out well-written well

807
00:34:58,859 --> 00:34:56,740
seasoned set of regulations that you

808
00:35:01,470 --> 00:34:58,869
know the guys before you you don't need

809
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:01,480
to reinvent the wheel these regulations

810
00:35:06,089 --> 00:35:03,700
are there they work but when you're an

811
00:35:09,569 --> 00:35:06,099
OSI agent as you are a federal agent in

812
00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:09,579
any agency you are trusted to do the job

813
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:11,740
correctly and to have the smarts to be

814
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:14,020
able to make the right tactical

815
00:35:18,569 --> 00:35:16,569
investigative decisions and so yeah and

816
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:18,579
depending upon what your job is within

817
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:21,970
that mine I happen to be a counter

818
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,970
espionage operations agent and I was

819
00:35:31,289 --> 00:35:26,940
chief of the branch at wright-patt and

820
00:35:33,630 --> 00:35:31,299
that was double agent ops and you know

821
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:33,640
so we were we're doing operational stuff

822
00:35:38,609 --> 00:35:35,410
and yeah it's a great position of trust

823
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:38,619
and it was fascinating work I loved

824
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,609
every minute of it

825
00:35:44,579 --> 00:35:41,920
but exactly you know your trusted but

826
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:44,589
you are still reporting to superiors you

827
00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:46,450
are still following guidelines and

828
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:49,720
believe me if you step out those

829
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,030
guidelines you know egregiously you

830
00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:54,400
you're gonna eat you alive what I was

831
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:56,380
implying was that you would make a

832
00:35:59,940 --> 00:35:58,690
comparison between you and Dodi and say

833
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:59,950
well they're that they're coming from

834
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:01,480
the same place so why should we trust

835
00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:03,880
either of them or whatever but my

836
00:36:10,589 --> 00:36:06,220
situation was that he was doing a job

837
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,599
for certain bosses and certain other

838
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:13,599
agencies associated with the OSI at

839
00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:17,050
least in capacity of that Kirtland

840
00:36:20,070 --> 00:36:18,700
and you are doing a certain job it

841
00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:20,080
doesn't mean you're gonna do it the same

842
00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:23,560
way form it the same way and you know

843
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:25,540
the the results are gonna be different

844
00:36:29,610 --> 00:36:28,090
and you know people look at the

845
00:36:32,370 --> 00:36:29,620
government of this monolithic thing and

846
00:36:34,050 --> 00:36:32,380
it's not and that has to be stressed

847
00:36:36,810 --> 00:36:34,060
over and over and over again to a lot of

848
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:36,820
UFO and conspiracy type people that some

849
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:38,950
people are trustworthy some art some are

850
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:40,330
gonna do things a certain way some are

851
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:43,510
others and yeah and you adjust if you're

852
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:44,950
interested in that you adjust your

853
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,990
enquiries and your attitude accordingly

854
00:36:52,140 --> 00:36:48,960
to the person you're dealing with

855
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:52,150
wouldn't you say that Walter yes yeah

856
00:36:57,150 --> 00:36:55,210
absolutely it you know it really does

857
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:57,160
come down to the individual you know

858
00:37:02,100 --> 00:36:58,810
who's got the boots on the ground as we

859
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:02,110
say and that individual can make or

860
00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:05,950
break their operation their case or the

861
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,870
reputation of the organization depending

862
00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:10,000
upon what they do and you know nobody's

863
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:14,740
perfect but a lot of folks don't make

864
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:17,650
certain mistakes you know I can honestly

865
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:21,070
say particularly about OSI when I was in

866
00:37:27,860 --> 00:37:24,460
it had enjoyed the best reputation of

867
00:37:30,570 --> 00:37:27,870
all the special investigative service

868
00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:30,580
organizations of the military services

869
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:33,190
bar nine fast question here maybe not a

870
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:36,250
fast question okay you're working for

871
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:38,170
the Air Force you're wright-patterson

872
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:40,390
you know about UFOs because of your

873
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:43,270
prior interest didn't your bosses ever

874
00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:45,960
ask you to do any assignments related to

875
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:48,760
UFOs the UFO research community

876
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:52,510
witnesses whatever no as I said I was

877
00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:54,460
chief of a counter espionage operations

878
00:37:59,880 --> 00:37:57,220
branch that exposed me personally to

879
00:38:04,050 --> 00:37:59,890
some pretty interesting technology on a

880
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:04,060
regular daily basis for three years but

881
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:06,700
I've had my hands pretty full running

882
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:08,850
that that was a very important mission

883
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:11,410
and I was in charge of it for those

884
00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:17,020
those three years were foreign yeah what

885
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:19,180
I did was international in scope when I

886
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:21,640
was a what gene was employing was

887
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:22,990
something that I've written down as a

888
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:23,500
quest

889
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:27,550
because of your because what you told me

890
00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:28,810
when we first met and you've mentioned

891
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,940
on my show about attending at least one

892
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:36,160
UFO conference trying to see what was

893
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:38,230
going on yeah that was when I was

894
00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:40,420
assigned to Los Angeles and I was doing

895
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:42,940
a very shallow operation because the

896
00:38:47,609 --> 00:38:46,210
concern that I was looking at was the

897
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:47,619
possibility of foreign intelligence

898
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:50,700
agents working within civilian UFO

899
00:38:56,609 --> 00:38:52,780
organizations to get a closer look at

900
00:39:00,990 --> 00:38:56,619
our technology in our bases a very valid

901
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:01,000
concern a very honest necessary concern

902
00:39:06,839 --> 00:39:04,050
of the US Air Force to look into I

903
00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:06,849
convinced my commanders and headquarters

904
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:09,550
to let me do it so oh so you wanted to

905
00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:11,410
go and do that and see and see it wasn't

906
00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:13,300
because I was at that convention and I

907
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:14,980
saw those Russian people I didn't know

908
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:16,810
alter was there that was before we met

909
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:19,420
it was my idea the operation well

910
00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:21,580
without going into detail or maybe you

911
00:39:24,450 --> 00:39:22,840
can or can't

912
00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:24,460
did you find any evidence of this

913
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:29,070
foreign infiltration mmm no comment

914
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:32,170
there you go I talked with Bill Moore

915
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:33,849
quite a bit and he said there was quite

916
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,260
a bit of it and there was also quite a

917
00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:37,599
bit of it believe it or not which I

918
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:39,160
guess most people would at least in the

919
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,010
70s and 80s at that time from Chinese

920
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:45,119
intelligence who were infiltrating UFO

921
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:47,410
organizations as well well that's

922
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:49,450
another point too now that you're out of

923
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:52,290
the business the intelligent business

924
00:39:59,540 --> 00:39:54,760
Walter do you see any evidence today

925
00:40:04,349 --> 00:39:59,550
this is still going on I you know what I

926
00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:04,359
to be honest my interest in UFOs has

927
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:09,700
altered and it has actually kind of

928
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:13,690
waned as far as the UFO ufology

929
00:40:19,950 --> 00:40:16,660
community I think ufology has gone down

930
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:19,960
a dead-end when I seven for 60 years

931
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:22,510
what's the difference

932
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,000
yeah maybe I'm just noticing it for the

933
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:27,760
first time but so I I don't really I

934
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:30,130
don't really look that closely it's I'll

935
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:33,250
be honest with you it's almost - I don't

936
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:39,130
care anymore situation I I don't I you

937
00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:41,230
know if I were looking closely I I might

938
00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:43,600
see it but my point is I don't look

939
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:45,820
closely enough anymore I you know I have

940
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:47,590
no need to I think that's true with a

941
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:49,390
lot of people here as you get exposed to

942
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:53,170
UFOs UFO research the field the field

943
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,470
can be toxic the field can be a mess

944
00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:58,480
because it's not just people looking at

945
00:41:00,810 --> 00:40:59,980
flying sausage and trying to figure out

946
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:00,820
what they are

947
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:04,240
you have egos you have turf wars

948
00:41:09,930 --> 00:41:07,990
you have agendas which can just be

949
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:09,940
making a buck but not always at the

950
00:41:16,290 --> 00:41:13,180
expense of trying to find out what's

951
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:16,300
going on but just to make a buck it

952
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:17,290
doesn't matter if you're telling the

953
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:19,510
truth or not you you have a lot of

954
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:20,950
people who aren't looking for the truth

955
00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:23,020
they're looking for a spotlight you know

956
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:26,140
that kind of brings with it the the it's

957
00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:29,440
the attention is diverted now away from

958
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:32,350
true research and investigation it's

959
00:41:43,690 --> 00:41:38,890
more into perpetuating dogma really is

960
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:48,640
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973
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:04,460
we have Greg Bishop our co-hosts on this

974
00:43:09,350 --> 00:43:06,540
week's episode of the power cast Walter

975
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:09,360
Bosley joining us he's worked with Greg

976
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:12,930
as a co-host on his shows but also he's

977
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:17,430
a former Air Force intelligence man okay

978
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:21,450
OSI with OSI and therefore we are asking

979
00:43:25,070 --> 00:43:23,310
him questions that he can't answer and

980
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:25,080
we don't want to be arrested folks okay

981
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,390
so when I get the letters and I see the

982
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,040
messages on the power cast forms and

983
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:31,200
they say why didn't you ask Walter this

984
00:43:37,070 --> 00:43:34,890
well you know what the guy has to accept

985
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:37,080
certain requirements to get the job he

986
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:39,000
doesn't have to take the job but once

987
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:40,830
you do you have to agree to certain

988
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,900
requirements and that means you know

989
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:44,460
there's some things you can't say we had

990
00:43:49,340 --> 00:43:47,130
of course very recently Nick Pope on the

991
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:49,350
power cast and there are things he can't

992
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:51,870
say and that's the way it is if you want

993
00:43:56,330 --> 00:43:54,090
to be a good citizen you don't want to

994
00:43:57,860 --> 00:43:56,340
be arrested or face the consequences

995
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:57,870
you don't talk about certain things but

996
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,700
still we're trying to understand how

997
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:01,440
things work in the UFO field but then I

998
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:03,990
go back to the same thing the UFO field

999
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:07,200
has gone nowhere major Donald Kehoe in

1000
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,180
the book flying saucer conspiracy said

1001
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:11,280
the government knows everything their

1002
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,370
spaceships we've got to ask for

1003
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,020
disclosure he called the government

1004
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:18,720
people the silence group said later 2010

1005
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:21,530
54 years later what's the difference

1006
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:22,770
right

1007
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:25,170
oh there's almost no difference I mean

1008
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:27,510
it's the same it's the same thing over

1009
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,890
and over again and it's a bunch of

1010
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:30,420
people in a circle jerk and that's what

1011
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:31,950
it's been for a long time and if you try

1012
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:33,690
to suggest that they'd they are in a

1013
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:37,140
circle jerk they get mad at you because

1014
00:44:40,580 --> 00:44:38,850
they don't want to be exposed as a

1015
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:40,590
people people sitting around circle

1016
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:42,660
jerking about something that that hasn't

1017
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:45,060
gotten anywhere and all it does is pump

1018
00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:47,400
up people's egos and and people that are

1019
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:49,230
new to the field they are get fascinated

1020
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:50,520
for a while and if they're stupid

1021
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:52,230
they're fascinated for a long while and

1022
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:53,430
if they're smart they leave it very

1023
00:44:58,340 --> 00:44:55,470
quickly or they go off and do something

1024
00:45:00,540 --> 00:44:58,350
on their own like Mack did or like Jim

1025
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:00,550
Brandon did or Greg

1026
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:03,460
or valet or any of the people that we

1027
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:05,290
always bring up when we're doing our

1028
00:45:10,890 --> 00:45:08,920
talks and radio shows so we're trying to

1029
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:10,900
figure out what's really going on and

1030
00:45:15,210 --> 00:45:13,690
one of the subjects we covered Walter

1031
00:45:18,270 --> 00:45:15,220
when you were on the first time on the

1032
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:18,280
show with Alan Greenfield and Michael

1033
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:20,110
Mott and some other guests we were

1034
00:45:26,190 --> 00:45:22,380
talking about the work of Mac Tony's

1035
00:45:28,610 --> 00:45:26,200
insofar as crypto terrestrials were

1036
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:28,620
concerned the fact that if UFOs exist

1037
00:45:36,810 --> 00:45:34,630
maybe they are from here so okay do we

1038
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:36,820
think then that there are no spaceships

1039
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:38,830
at all what do you think Walter oh no

1040
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,150
III absolutely think that there are

1041
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:44,800
extraterrestrials living throughout

1042
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:47,890
space and I do think they have come here

1043
00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:51,850
I do think a percentage of things people

1044
00:45:58,220 --> 00:45:53,820
are seeing are from other planets

1045
00:46:03,090 --> 00:45:58,230
however there is just as much and

1046
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:03,100
actually more evidence that some pretty

1047
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:05,050
interesting things you know have been

1048
00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:08,880
going on right here in an evidence of

1049
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:13,480
lost civilizations lost races that

1050
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:17,160
remain somewhere and one of my favorite

1051
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:19,450
arguments I hear and I just read it on a

1052
00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:21,940
blog recently a gentleman who really

1053
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:23,860
took exception to the whole crypt of

1054
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,470
terrestrial theory he brought up the the

1055
00:46:32,010 --> 00:46:28,560
old thing about what we've you know our

1056
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:32,020
our minds you know we've drilled into

1057
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:34,990
the the earth and I you know when you

1058
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:36,490
really look closely at that it's

1059
00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:39,160
laughable because I think the deepest

1060
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:42,700
any mine is ever drill is you know just

1061
00:46:47,790 --> 00:46:45,490
X number a few miles when you think

1062
00:46:52,050 --> 00:46:47,800
about how big the planet is

1063
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:52,060
no drill has ever you know gone you know

1064
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:54,310
anywhere near deep enough to be able to

1065
00:47:01,170 --> 00:46:56,710
conclude that there are not you know

1066
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:01,180
vast hollow pockets inside the earth but

1067
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,030
yet that's the one that gets brought up

1068
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:06,640
quite often there's vast hall own

1069
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,960
pockets everywhere they're mean just

1070
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:10,480
they're being discovered every few years

1071
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:12,890
well I wasn't fortunately we have that

1072
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:15,110
hollow pocket that's yielding all that

1073
00:47:21,550 --> 00:47:18,830
oil in the Gulf Coast yeah it's not

1074
00:47:23,470 --> 00:47:21,560
Halloween yeah it's becoming Hollow yeah

1075
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,480
there will be another space to maybe

1076
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,720
someone to move into there I was told I

1077
00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:28,640
learned and this was not in an official

1078
00:47:37,930 --> 00:47:32,060
capacity but you know in an interesting

1079
00:47:41,290 --> 00:47:37,940
capacity I was told that the huge well

1080
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:41,300
let me go back in around the late 80s I

1081
00:47:46,330 --> 00:47:43,250
was told we were talking about the

1082
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:46,340
caverns and things and with this

1083
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:47,750
individual I was talking about this and

1084
00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:49,610
we were talking about carlsbad caverns

1085
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:51,500
and and the fact that gosh you got

1086
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:52,340
Roswell

1087
00:47:57,340 --> 00:47:54,290
right up there New Mexico and you've got

1088
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:57,350
carlsbad caverns and we were talking

1089
00:48:02,020 --> 00:47:59,150
about hmm you know well there's the

1090
00:48:03,610 --> 00:48:02,030
major cavern system there and I was told

1091
00:48:06,010 --> 00:48:03,620
that actually this was in the late 80s

1092
00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:06,020
remember I was told this that there was

1093
00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:11,030
a huge huge vast cavern discovered even

1094
00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:12,830
deeper than what they called the big

1095
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:16,420
room or the big one at Carlsbad and that

1096
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:19,370
evidence of a one of these lost

1097
00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:21,890
civilizations was found down there now

1098
00:48:26,890 --> 00:48:23,960
what I found interesting was within

1099
00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:26,900
about five to ten years after I was told

1100
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:30,560
this the Department of Interior ran an

1101
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:33,530
article and kind of revealed that you

1102
00:48:37,570 --> 00:48:35,690
know oh yeah yeah there's a larger room

1103
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,580
we found well I was told that they've

1104
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:39,680
known about that larger room since the

1105
00:48:47,110 --> 00:48:43,850
1950s and I was told before I ever saw

1106
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:47,120
this article in the 90s that it existed

1107
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,730
so it was kind of you know a

1108
00:48:54,820 --> 00:48:51,680
confirmation of what I had been told a

1109
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,830
few years earlier and that implies you

1110
00:48:58,810 --> 00:48:56,720
know well if there's that one what else

1111
00:49:01,000 --> 00:48:58,820
is there Greg you want to drop in on

1112
00:49:04,810 --> 00:49:01,010
this yeah well what walter was talking

1113
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:04,820
about this guy apparently wrote a piece

1114
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:07,490
of disagreeing with the premise of mac

1115
00:49:11,890 --> 00:49:10,010
tony's book I haven't read that piece

1116
00:49:13,540 --> 00:49:11,900
but he said in the title of it was

1117
00:49:16,780 --> 00:49:13,550
something about the crypto terrestrial

1118
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:16,790
lie and man a bit extreme it is a bit

1119
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:18,650
extreme because wallet because in the

1120
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:20,810
book I don't think Mac ever said this is

1121
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:22,820
what's going on and I know and you don't

1122
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:26,270
exactly that would be as definitive

1123
00:49:32,110 --> 00:49:29,000
statement he put forward a theory and

1124
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:32,120
Walter described the the this article

1125
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:33,200
maybe you can talk about a little bit

1126
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:34,430
more so people can get on that

1127
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:36,290
discussion and and pound the sky into

1128
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:40,100
the ground if he deserves it okay

1129
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,770
everybody listen carefully where do we

1130
00:49:47,230 --> 00:49:45,440
find this blog by the way oh gosh I

1131
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,240
don't have it in front of me I'm sure we

1132
00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:49,040
can google it if you just give us a few

1133
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:51,590
hints ah you know what

1134
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,470
I googled I think I was looking up

1135
00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:56,960
something on to see what if there had

1136
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,210
been a comment a new comment about

1137
00:50:03,070 --> 00:50:01,280
something about me and one of my

1138
00:50:05,830 --> 00:50:03,080
appearances and that's where I you know

1139
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,840
what in a moment if we take a little

1140
00:50:09,370 --> 00:50:07,520
break or you guys get into it I'll jump

1141
00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:09,380
over there and see if I can find it yeah

1142
00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:10,700
Walter you see if you can find it

1143
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,920
because actually in his I think Mac

1144
00:50:17,590 --> 00:50:14,960
actually interviewed Walter for the book

1145
00:50:19,330 --> 00:50:17,600
did he Walter did he just seek oh he did

1146
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:19,340
he he had read the article and he talked

1147
00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:22,610
about it which I was like very flattered

1148
00:50:27,490 --> 00:50:24,920
that he found you know enough validity

1149
00:50:29,110 --> 00:50:27,500
in it to even bring it up yeah I think

1150
00:50:31,210 --> 00:50:29,120
he was very careful about what he

1151
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:31,220
brought into his argument and it was

1152
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:33,710
speculation to be sure but what's the

1153
00:50:38,830 --> 00:50:36,470
UFO subject what speculation the article

1154
00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:38,840
was reprinted in the hardcover edition

1155
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,020
of faiths book the best of Roswell as an

1156
00:50:46,990 --> 00:50:44,240
alternative theory my article what was

1157
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:47,000
the article called the other paradigm I

1158
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:49,490
believe it's in the April 2005 issue I

1159
00:50:53,110 --> 00:50:50,990
can go over to the shelf and get it if

1160
00:50:56,650 --> 00:50:53,120
you'd like the article is titled the

1161
00:50:59,500 --> 00:50:56,660
other paradigm and it is in the April

1162
00:51:03,130 --> 00:50:59,510
2005 issue of fate magazine starts on

1163
00:51:06,820 --> 00:51:03,140
page 26 and as I said I wrote it under

1164
00:51:10,540 --> 00:51:06,830
my fiction pseudonym and in the article

1165
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:10,550
I had talked about the story my dad told

1166
00:51:16,590 --> 00:51:13,730
me I talked a little bit about Indrid

1167
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,600
cold and the Mothman stuff because I

1168
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:18,800
spent a little time in my childhood

1169
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:21,440
during the Mothman stuff yeah that was

1170
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:22,490
gonna be one of the subjects who were

1171
00:51:26,140 --> 00:51:24,290
gonna ask you about - yeah that's

1172
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:26,150
fascinating - that's party or makeup

1173
00:51:29,530 --> 00:51:27,980
that people ought to know when we're

1174
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:29,540
talking about these things oh yeah I

1175
00:51:35,350 --> 00:51:33,170
grew up hearing when I my dad was from

1176
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:35,360
Parkersburg West Virginia so right after

1177
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:37,370
I was born my parents moved and we went

1178
00:51:39,350 --> 00:51:37,590
back

1179
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:39,360
can lived in Mineral Wells which is

1180
00:51:42,860 --> 00:51:41,220
where all this Mothman Prophecies stuff

1181
00:51:44,090 --> 00:51:42,870
a lot of it happen if some happen at

1182
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:44,100
Point Pleasant but the Woodie Dern

1183
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:46,560
burger art happened right there about

1184
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:49,650
300 yards from where we lived and then

1185
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:51,270
we returned to California and then we

1186
00:51:56,860 --> 00:51:53,910
returned again to West Virginia between

1187
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,870
73 to 75 and it was those two years that

1188
00:52:01,970 --> 00:51:59,040
constantly the the people living around

1189
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:01,980
there we lived in the same place you

1190
00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:03,510
know we would tell the kids you know

1191
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:05,550
don't get you know get home out of the

1192
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:06,780
woods before dark

1193
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:09,180
because mr. cold is out there and he'll

1194
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,250
take you away they used him as kind of a

1195
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:13,200
boogeyman and that's where I learned

1196
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:17,400
about Indrid cold originally and then I

1197
00:52:25,580 --> 00:52:22,290
read keels but yeah keels book was later

1198
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,590
yes but so that was an early influence

1199
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,540
on you you knew who knew Indrid cold was

1200
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:28,800
when you work it or did you or is he

1201
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:30,450
just the boogeyman you found out later

1202
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:33,480
he was well know why that derenberger

1203
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:36,990
said he meant no I heard the Dern Berger

1204
00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:39,000
story from the folks directly that lived

1205
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:41,820
back there while it was going on and you

1206
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:45,410
know we had a family friend whose

1207
00:52:51,830 --> 00:52:49,710
daughter was you know friends with woody

1208
00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:51,840
and some of the other people in and

1209
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:54,270
she's mentioned in one of the books if

1210
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,170
not keels so you know I kind of had you

1211
00:53:02,180 --> 00:53:00,240
know close to first hand sources on it I

1212
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:02,190
definitely had first hand sources from

1213
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:03,720
the people who lived there while it was

1214
00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:05,910
going on I mean that half these people

1215
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:06,630
knew woody

1216
00:53:11,810 --> 00:53:10,020
they knew the details like I said where

1217
00:53:13,580 --> 00:53:11,820
I live you could look in one direction

1218
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:13,590
and you could see the spot on the

1219
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:15,480
freeway my friends and I used to walk

1220
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,910
out closer to it the spot off of the

1221
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:20,040
highway there where he first encountered

1222
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:21,720
mr. cold off to the side of the road

1223
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:24,570
Indrid cold and you know I learned all

1224
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:26,280
about Lana Lowe's where the people live

1225
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:27,990
naked they took no end of delight and

1226
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:30,510
telling that part of it and I can bet

1227
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:34,650
that you know so but but he was indeed

1228
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:38,090
kind of a boogey man but it was my first

1229
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,970
exposure to something otherworldly it

1230
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:43,200
wasn't so much that he was just a

1231
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,450
monster that would get you it was this

1232
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:48,240
this weird inexplainable figure that was

1233
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:50,490
just out there and then you know if you

1234
00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:50,820
work

1235
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,860
got out there after dark giving a very

1236
00:53:57,110 --> 00:53:55,200
you know it sounds suspiciously like the

1237
00:54:00,100 --> 00:53:57,120
old tales of the crossroads and the

1238
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:00,110
fairy spoke who would take children and

1239
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:02,370
they would never see their children

1240
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:02,640
again

1241
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:05,490
or their children would be replaced with

1242
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:08,310
a fairy child someone that was not quite

1243
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:13,440
exactly what was taken but it had had

1244
00:54:19,610 --> 00:54:16,530
that feel to it so that when I read

1245
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:19,620
keels book and now I'm one who really

1246
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:21,390
likes that movie the Mothman Prophecies

1247
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:24,150
I think it's the movie that both x-files

1248
00:54:29,060 --> 00:54:26,730
movies tried desperately to be and so

1249
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:29,070
famously just drop the ball on it was

1250
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,090
was much better

1251
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:33,180
well yankin x-file movie was really bad

1252
00:54:38,540 --> 00:54:36,330
I think well it was a CSI movie if

1253
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:38,550
you're a CSI fan second x-files movie

1254
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,640
was okay believe me when it comes to CSI

1255
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:43,920
I think it wasn't quite there I think

1256
00:54:48,770 --> 00:54:45,690
right dreary and the oh yes you wanted

1257
00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:48,780
seemed to be all focused on that

1258
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,590
underground nation yeah yeah it was just

1259
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:54,480
both of them were very disappointing but

1260
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:57,900
Mothman Prophecies whereas I really got

1261
00:55:02,660 --> 00:55:00,180
into you know the whole thing because of

1262
00:55:05,780 --> 00:55:02,670
my personal exposure to it they still

1263
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,790
didn't quite depict the full extent of

1264
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:08,160
Indrid cold and in fact I find it

1265
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:10,170
interesting that the whole Indrid cold

1266
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:14,820
thing has not been mined in in thought

1267
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:17,790
or presentation as much as he could be

1268
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:20,220
because there's there's something going

1269
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:22,890
on they're injured cold is a very very

1270
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:25,710
interesting figure in all of this and I

1271
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:28,650
think you know because he doesn't fit

1272
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:31,380
what's currently popular he has no place

1273
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:33,840
in the dogma that there you go

1274
00:55:37,820 --> 00:55:36,810
that's why having gone back to the

1275
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:37,830
Mothman Prophecies

1276
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:40,260
did you ever read the book from grey

1277
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:44,190
Barker the Silver Bridge no I read they

1278
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,660
knew too much about flying saucers

1279
00:55:49,870 --> 00:55:47,040
that's the only Barker book I've read

1280
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:49,880
and of course I ate that up with delight

1281
00:55:55,070 --> 00:55:53,220
as did a lot of people although we later

1282
00:55:57,370 --> 00:55:55,080
learned that grey Barker could shall we

1283
00:55:59,900 --> 00:55:57,380
say I'm sorry

1284
00:56:02,870 --> 00:55:59,910
but I did not read the syllabus open

1285
00:56:05,180 --> 00:56:02,880
trades was released last year I think by

1286
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:05,190
Annie Colvin and a couple other people I

1287
00:56:09,110 --> 00:56:06,930
think I think who was it Bentley

1288
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,120
released it I can't remember but you can

1289
00:56:13,070 --> 00:56:11,040
read that book that was very rare for a

1290
00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:13,080
while and it's a good book it's a lot

1291
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:17,550
more factual I guess about what happened

1292
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:21,750
around the Mothman around Point Pleasant

1293
00:56:25,820 --> 00:56:23,460
when the Mothman stuff was going on

1294
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:25,830
because Barker lived near there and so

1295
00:56:30,050 --> 00:56:27,540
he was able to kind of see it as it was

1296
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,060
is happening I mean look at the book is

1297
00:56:34,580 --> 00:56:31,680
very allegorical it's not a

1298
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:34,590
straight-ahead news report it's not you

1299
00:56:38,330 --> 00:56:36,510
know it is a description

1300
00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:38,340
yeah it's almost like watching it's

1301
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:39,840
almost like having another movie of

1302
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:40,950
Mothman Prophecies

1303
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:44,460
oh I got a read this yeah it's it's I

1304
00:56:49,220 --> 00:56:46,380
guess I just like the way it's told a

1305
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:49,230
lot you know I like I like his

1306
00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:51,210
storytelling style at least in that book

1307
00:56:57,590 --> 00:56:55,620
and the fact that he's very he's not

1308
00:56:59,420 --> 00:56:57,600
very specific about a lot of things and

1309
00:57:01,610 --> 00:56:59,430
he makes a lot of connections that the

1310
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:01,620
keel didn't that's why I enjoy the book

1311
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:03,330
cuz it's another look at that whole the

1312
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:06,600
whole thing the series of events that

1313
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:08,610
was going around on around that time oh

1314
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:10,830
I'll let you borrow my copy Walter okay

1315
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,300
yeah I'd I'd love and I promise I will

1316
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,700
return it actually by the way since he

1317
00:57:19,940 --> 00:57:17,280
said this on the power cast and since

1318
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:19,950
we're here to separate the signal from

1319
00:57:25,810 --> 00:57:24,030
the noise we'll hold them to it one

1320
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:25,820
thing that I appreciate about the whole

1321
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:28,440
you know about John keel has work and

1322
00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:29,880
and specifically the Mothman Prophecies

1323
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:32,940
and related things and Indrid cold is

1324
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:35,400
that in the last three years and Greg

1325
00:57:38,810 --> 00:57:36,930
knows about this I've been investigating

1326
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:38,820
something that I'm not ready to talk

1327
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:40,650
about in detail because I'm finishing up

1328
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:44,520
the book and I'll be talking about it

1329
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:47,100
plenty then but what I'd been going

1330
00:57:50,570 --> 00:57:48,630
through in the last three years and I've

1331
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:50,580
got a lifetime of strange experiences

1332
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:53,880
and and encounters with you know weird

1333
00:57:58,730 --> 00:57:56,460
phenomena but the last three years of my

1334
00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:58,740
life have it's been more intense and

1335
00:58:03,050 --> 00:58:00,750
I've had more things revealed to me

1336
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:03,060
through it I've had more encounters with

1337
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:05,130
synchronicity I've had encounters with

1338
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:09,210
visitation I've had encounters with

1339
00:58:16,530 --> 00:58:12,820
certain entities revealing themselves in

1340
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:16,540
ways and just a plethora of so many

1341
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:22,270
amazing things amazing to me that it's

1342
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:24,010
not you know like that's why when people

1343
00:58:28,020 --> 00:58:25,810
bring up a flying saucers I kind of go

1344
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:28,030
oh forget that stuff look at this over

1345
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:32,410
here and it's been a very intense period

1346
00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:35,530
of my life that I'm gonna be talking

1347
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:37,540
about more seen when the you know the

1348
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:39,970
new book you know what this has reached

1349
00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:41,770
a point here we're going to break for

1350
00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:44,500
the hourly break but maybe some things

1351
00:58:49,950 --> 00:58:47,320
about your life experiences we can talk

1352
00:58:53,099 --> 00:58:49,960
about share part two we have co-host

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00:59:01,560 --> 00:58:53,109
Greg Bishop and Walter Bosley joining us

1354
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,570
on the power cast ray Perkins a

1355
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:03,760
reclusive veteran burned out from the

1356
00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:06,420
Gulf War lives tortured by relentless

1357
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,460
perplexing nightmares nightmares of a

1358
00:59:13,950 --> 00:59:11,680
horrific battle in deep space and of a

1359
00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:13,960
mysterious woman suffering and agony for

1360
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:16,540
her devastated world a woman not yet

1361
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:20,730
born calling across centuries to him

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00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:24,130
then a coincidence leads him to his

1363
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:26,830
destiny his chance to alter the universe

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00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:30,250
attack of the rocker the former fiction

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editor for Star Wars and Indiana Jones

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00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:34,599
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novel attack of the Rockets lies in its

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00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:40,270
convincing tale of a love that spans the

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00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:43,270
galaxy a thrilling story attack of the

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rocket is available now read a simple

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Rockets calm that's our Ock o IDs calm

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01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,660
attack of the rock a novel in the grand

1376
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,640
science-fiction tradition welcome back

1377
01:00:08,110 --> 01:00:02,240
to the paradise

1378
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:11,290
we have Walter Bosley our co-hosts is

1379
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:13,310
Greg Bishop in part one of the power

1380
01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:16,550
cast we learned that Walter has had some

1381
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:18,920
experiences so let's start at the

1382
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:19,370
beginning

1383
01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:27,050
ah have you ever seen a UFO yes in there

1384
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:30,200
well because then I identified it what I

1385
01:00:36,430 --> 01:00:33,290
say so it became an IFO yeah what I saw

1386
01:00:38,830 --> 01:00:36,440
was what turned out to be the f-117

1387
01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:38,840
stealth fighter how did you mistake it

1388
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:41,150
was it at a funny angle or something so

1389
01:00:46,810 --> 01:00:43,640
well he when you say UFO I didn't say I

1390
01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:46,820
saw a flying saucer what I'm saying was

1391
01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:49,580
something that was you know silent in

1392
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:53,270
moving low and didn't seem to have a

1393
01:00:58,690 --> 01:00:56,330
normal aircraft shape and you know later

1394
01:01:01,540 --> 01:00:58,700
on I can't go into the detail but I

1395
01:01:04,420 --> 01:01:01,550
looked into that of course once I got

1396
01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:04,430
into the position and found out aha

1397
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:06,920
that's what I was seeing and I have that

1398
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:08,450
something to do with you saying it was

1399
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:11,750
silent was it silent the whole time the

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01:01:16,930 --> 01:01:13,910
whole time I saw it it was quiet how

1401
01:01:19,570 --> 01:01:16,940
close to you were were you to it oh god

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01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:19,580
I'm really bad at judging distances it

1403
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:22,970
didn't fly right overhead I was I was in

1404
01:01:30,730 --> 01:01:27,200
one plane I was in my spot and looking

1405
01:01:35,230 --> 01:01:30,740
out into the desert and it was probably

1406
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:35,240
I want to say you know a couple of miles

1407
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:38,210
a you know a mile or so away it you know

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01:01:42,460 --> 01:01:41,110
if it were a normal jet or anything

1409
01:01:45,570 --> 01:01:42,470
believe me

1410
01:01:50,290 --> 01:01:45,580
it would have been heard this was quiet

1411
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:50,300
okay you couldn't explain okay yeah did

1412
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:51,920
you ever have anything happen to you

1413
01:01:56,590 --> 01:01:54,110
that you couldn't explain or seemed

1414
01:01:59,680 --> 01:01:56,600
weird power and Rommel and if so when

1415
01:02:03,220 --> 01:01:59,690
was the earliest event oh you're talking

1416
01:02:06,910 --> 01:02:03,230
about the last 30 years of my life no it

1417
01:02:09,850 --> 01:02:06,920
started 30 years ago yeah 1979 December

1418
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:09,860
of 1979 it was a Sunday morning and I

1419
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:12,710
was I had turned 16 in October so I was

1420
01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:15,650
just a you know highschool kid I woke up

1421
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:18,020
on that Sunday morning that month of

1422
01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:19,910
that year and

1423
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:24,190
thing was different and I lifted my

1424
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:27,950
hands up I looked at my hands and my

1425
01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:30,650
first thought was these hands are not

1426
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:31,369
mine

1427
01:02:40,450 --> 01:02:37,369
and I'm seeing things in a textured way

1428
01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:40,460
that the day before I just did a look at

1429
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:42,950
things that way it was as if yeah I got

1430
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:44,809
I got up I'm walking through the house

1431
01:02:49,809 --> 01:02:48,470
and you know I see you know my see these

1432
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:49,819
two girls my sisters

1433
01:02:53,410 --> 01:02:51,920
you know I see my mom at the stove and

1434
01:02:56,260 --> 01:02:53,420
I'm thinking well there's sisters

1435
01:02:58,359 --> 01:02:56,270
they're not my sisters there's mom she's

1436
01:03:01,120 --> 01:02:58,369
not my mom there's something there's a

1437
01:03:04,089 --> 01:03:01,130
weird disconnect here and I wasn't

1438
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,099
scared it was very curious it was very

1439
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:06,079
fascinating and I just kind of you know

1440
01:03:09,250 --> 01:03:07,490
walk through the house and end that

1441
01:03:12,099 --> 01:03:09,260
evening I'm sitting there you know

1442
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:12,109
watching you know family sitting there

1443
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:13,730
watching TV and I feel totally

1444
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:17,359
unconnected to these people is if I you

1445
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:21,140
know we're detached it felt as if only

1446
01:03:27,279 --> 01:03:24,079
eight years later I the concept of some

1447
01:03:30,099 --> 01:03:27,289
people called a walk in what I felt had

1448
01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:30,109
best described what that experience was

1449
01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:32,180
it was as if I was somebody else who

1450
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:35,420
woke up in this body at that time and

1451
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:37,250
and you know which is kind of over here

1452
01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:39,170
I am now and for years I didn't tell

1453
01:03:43,779 --> 01:03:41,270
people about it for the obvious reasons

1454
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:43,789
and then when I heard about the concept

1455
01:03:47,769 --> 01:03:45,890
of the walk egg that some people tried

1456
01:03:50,140 --> 01:03:47,779
to say oh it was an abduction experience

1457
01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:50,150
I just that just makes me want to cringe

1458
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:52,839
no it was not an abduction experience

1459
01:03:57,609 --> 01:03:55,250
after you heard some of the discussions

1460
01:03:59,559 --> 01:03:57,619
and the power cast forms I think we are

1461
01:04:03,490 --> 01:03:59,569
all cringing if the word abduction is

1462
01:04:05,170 --> 01:04:03,500
these days and then years Lear's later

1463
01:04:08,170 --> 01:04:05,180
when I learned about the concept of the

1464
01:04:13,299 --> 01:04:08,180
walk in I felt that was the closest I'd

1465
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:13,309
heard yet I do not very tell is a walk

1466
01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:15,770
in for those who don't know the walk in

1467
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:18,670
basically my understanding of it is that

1468
01:04:23,859 --> 01:04:22,160
it's it's when you have the body as the

1469
01:04:26,289 --> 01:04:23,869
vessels for the soul and when the

1470
01:04:28,569 --> 01:04:26,299
original soul leaves the body for

1471
01:04:31,930 --> 01:04:28,579
whatever reason it's it's time is done

1472
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:31,940
or whatever a soul another soul can come

1473
01:04:35,170 --> 01:04:33,260
in and occupy that body

1474
01:04:36,340 --> 01:04:35,180
okay there's two reactions people are

1475
01:04:40,060 --> 01:04:36,350
gonna have when they hear you telling

1476
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:40,070
this story one is that's amazing it must

1477
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,890
have really changed your life and made

1478
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:44,240
things a lot more interesting and the

1479
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:46,340
other reaction is have you considered

1480
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:47,990
that you might have gone insane at that

1481
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:50,690
point which both are fascinating

1482
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:53,119
actually because if I did go insane at

1483
01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:54,290
16 years old

1484
01:04:59,740 --> 01:04:57,230
I have been a I've been functional all

1485
01:05:02,560 --> 01:04:59,750
these years functional enough to pass

1486
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:02,570
every psychological battery I ever had

1487
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:05,930
to take to work for the FBI in a very

1488
01:05:11,140 --> 01:05:08,450
trusted position to earn a commission in

1489
01:05:15,460 --> 01:05:11,150
the US Air Force to be given a badge and

1490
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:15,470
credentials and guns by the way so that

1491
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:17,810
that's really interesting if they wanted

1492
01:05:23,260 --> 01:05:22,010
somebody who was clearly insane you know

1493
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:23,270
when you described it to me I just

1494
01:05:27,250 --> 01:05:25,310
thought it's like well something weird

1495
01:05:30,250 --> 01:05:27,260
happened to me why don't I just use it

1496
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,260
to see what I can see and maybe make

1497
01:05:36,010 --> 01:05:32,480
life more interesting and why and it

1498
01:05:37,930 --> 01:05:36,020
damaged my life absolutely I know well

1499
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:37,940
when I talk about this I tell people my

1500
01:05:43,810 --> 01:05:40,250
life is divided out how we used to you

1501
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:43,820
know we did BC and AD my life that the

1502
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:46,970
big dividing point was that December of

1503
01:05:51,820 --> 01:05:50,000
1979 that morning I woke up what my life

1504
01:05:54,460 --> 01:05:51,830
was before then my consciousness who I

1505
01:05:57,340 --> 01:05:54,470
was was different than what it has been

1506
01:05:59,530 --> 01:05:57,350
since then I'm since then I'm the guy I

1507
01:06:01,330 --> 01:05:59,540
am now is who I've been since I woke up

1508
01:06:02,890 --> 01:06:01,340
that morning it was like an awakening it

1509
01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:02,900
was like something or somebody reached

1510
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:05,030
down touched me on the forehead and said

1511
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:06,170
wake up

1512
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,310
almost immediately in my life I began to

1513
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:16,160
experience the the sensing presences and

1514
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:18,650
synchronicities and talk about dreaming

1515
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:21,290
I mean I would have vivid dreams that

1516
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:23,810
then the things in the dream I would

1517
01:06:29,470 --> 01:06:25,970
encounter in real life I I had this

1518
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:29,480
incredible dream about a little over a

1519
01:06:36,310 --> 01:06:31,609
year after this awakening experience in

1520
01:06:41,310 --> 01:06:36,320
79 and that dream parts of it continued

1521
01:06:44,609 --> 01:06:41,320
to come true for the next 20 years and

1522
01:06:46,790 --> 01:06:44,619
or more and as a matter of fact Greg

1523
01:06:49,610 --> 01:06:46,800
part of that

1524
01:06:52,550 --> 01:06:49,620
and and the experience of some of it

1525
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:52,560
coming true involved the place where you

1526
01:06:58,070 --> 01:06:54,960
and Sigrid had your reception for your

1527
01:07:01,850 --> 01:06:58,080
wedding the 94th aero squadron you never

1528
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:01,860
told me that I didn't know no I did I

1529
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:03,690
didn't get the opportunity because I had

1530
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:07,170
been there before with my first wife for

1531
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:10,410
some other event and I had it had been

1532
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:13,920
part of this dream about seven years

1533
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,460
before that so and we're talking I would

1534
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:20,400
be one time I was in Germany and and I

1535
01:07:24,530 --> 01:07:21,930
walk around the corner in the village of

1536
01:07:26,780 --> 01:07:24,540
rudesheim and there suddenly I just I

1537
01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:26,790
recognize it immediately I'm like oh my

1538
01:07:31,250 --> 01:07:29,910
gosh this was in the dream I was walking

1539
01:07:33,350 --> 01:07:31,260
down the street when I lived in Long

1540
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,360
Island where I lived in Babylon Long

1541
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,520
Island and you know I'm walking from the

1542
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:37,260
train station back to my apartment one

1543
01:07:42,830 --> 01:07:40,440
day and boom there it is a street that I

1544
01:07:45,980 --> 01:07:42,840
distinctly remember walking down in the

1545
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:45,990
dream years before over ten years before

1546
01:07:52,310 --> 01:07:48,810
and things like that little pieces of

1547
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:52,320
the dream coming true my mentor tells me

1548
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:55,380
that I was basically shown that dream

1549
01:08:01,840 --> 01:07:57,810
was not a dream basically I was shown in

1550
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:01,850
my sleep many years forward of my life

1551
01:08:09,350 --> 01:08:04,920
who's a mentor or who was the man

1552
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:09,360
they always love the mentor you brought

1553
01:08:15,460 --> 01:08:12,570
it up man yes I know trouble now my

1554
01:08:19,690 --> 01:08:15,470
mentor is an uncle of mine who was in

1555
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:19,700
the same industry so to speak as I spent

1556
01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:22,890
nineteen eighteen years in and in fact

1557
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:24,750
was the one who opened the door for me

1558
01:08:29,599 --> 01:08:27,089
and got me in to my profession and

1559
01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:29,609
interestingly enough he's also the one

1560
01:08:34,780 --> 01:08:31,380
that has guided me and taught me more

1561
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:34,790
about the strange and esoteric and the

1562
01:08:43,670 --> 01:08:40,410
weirder spectrum of reality and he's a

1563
01:08:45,620 --> 01:08:43,680
real uncle oh yeah okay so this be your

1564
01:08:47,890 --> 01:08:45,630
father's brother your mother's brother

1565
01:08:51,710 --> 01:08:47,900
well I'm my mom's brother okay

1566
01:08:54,230 --> 01:08:51,720
somebody worked in intelligence yes okay

1567
01:08:57,710 --> 01:08:54,240
and he took you under his wing as it

1568
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,720
were yes and talked to you about the

1569
01:09:03,630 --> 01:08:59,679
weird of the strange and unknown

1570
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:03,640
absolutely okay all right so you have

1571
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:07,210
the dreams mm-hmm yes the presence now

1572
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:09,460
sensing the presence what kind of

1573
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:12,250
presence did you sense I have sensed

1574
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:14,489
various presences over the years

1575
01:09:20,519 --> 01:09:18,640
initially it just came as you know just

1576
01:09:22,559 --> 01:09:20,529
the little hairs on the back your neck

1577
01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:22,569
what people would call traditionally you

1578
01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:26,620
know experienced with ghosts but more

1579
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:30,909
recently in recent years and and some of

1580
01:09:34,559 --> 01:09:32,650
them are ghosts I have sensed the

1581
01:09:39,450 --> 01:09:34,569
spirits of people who've been dead for

1582
01:09:43,919 --> 01:09:39,460
for many many years particularly I am

1583
01:09:46,519 --> 01:09:43,929
convinced at least three murder victims

1584
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:46,529
that I'm writing about in my new book

1585
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:49,210
you sound like the lady in the TV series

1586
01:09:54,860 --> 01:09:53,770
medium yeah I don't see them but I feel

1587
01:10:00,780 --> 01:09:54,870
them

1588
01:10:02,340 --> 01:10:00,790
I have indeed felt their presence now

1589
01:10:04,410 --> 01:10:02,350
that's the question I've asked about

1590
01:10:05,850 --> 01:10:04,420
this and you know everything that you

1591
01:10:08,459 --> 01:10:05,860
talk about can lead to a hundred

1592
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:08,469
questions I'll take this one yeah you

1593
01:10:12,270 --> 01:10:10,510
are in touch with people who appear to

1594
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:12,280
be dead are you really seeing the dead

1595
01:10:16,169 --> 01:10:14,050
or seeing somebody in a parallel

1596
01:10:20,729 --> 01:10:16,179
universe I didn't see them

1597
01:10:23,070 --> 01:10:20,739
I felt sensed them okay yeah well let me

1598
01:10:25,050 --> 01:10:23,080
let me describe the experience and maybe

1599
01:10:28,919 --> 01:10:25,060
we'll find the answer in there I would

1600
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:28,929
walk in you know I'd come into the house

1601
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:31,840
you know it at night later at night and

1602
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:35,440
I would be startled because I literally

1603
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:37,960
felt someone was rushing up behind me

1604
01:10:42,419 --> 01:10:40,239
now you know you got to remember I'm

1605
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:42,429
somebody who I don't walk around and in

1606
01:10:46,110 --> 01:10:44,050
you know I'm not a mouth-breather I

1607
01:10:48,030 --> 01:10:46,120
don't walk around you know you know

1608
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:48,040
zoning out and anybody could walk up and

1609
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:50,050
sneak up on me I'm generally a pretty

1610
01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:51,730
alert person my professional life has

1611
01:10:54,419 --> 01:10:52,630
made me that way

1612
01:10:56,729 --> 01:10:54,429
it doesn't mean I'm twitchy or jumpy I

1613
01:10:58,380 --> 01:10:56,739
think Greg will tell you that but you

1614
01:11:00,570 --> 01:10:58,390
know so when I tell you I felt like

1615
01:11:04,050 --> 01:11:00,580
someone was coming up on me you know he

1616
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:04,060
comes with some you know same bona fides

1617
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:06,850
and I would feel that intensely and of

1618
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:09,960
course I would turn and nobody was there

1619
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:12,530
visually and

1620
01:11:18,189 --> 01:11:16,070
it I knew that it was a female the the

1621
01:11:21,069 --> 01:11:18,199
the presence that would rush up on me it

1622
01:11:27,729 --> 01:11:21,079
was a female definitely I always knew

1623
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,739
that and the other two are children and

1624
01:11:31,569 --> 01:11:29,840
that they wouldn't rush up on me they

1625
01:11:33,819 --> 01:11:31,579
would just kind of be there usually

1626
01:11:38,410 --> 01:11:33,829
sitting in a tree in the front yard

1627
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:38,420
and they'd since they were hanging out

1628
01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:41,210
yeah and I have felt them also near a

1629
01:11:46,299 --> 01:11:43,550
couple of trees the location where they

1630
01:11:47,770 --> 01:11:46,309
died okay so how did you sauce what

1631
01:11:52,089 --> 01:11:47,780
highlight to them because you talked

1632
01:11:54,459 --> 01:11:52,099
about a Merle I discovered these murders

1633
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:54,469
when I was following up on some research

1634
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:57,110
after the Disneyland book about ley

1635
01:12:03,010 --> 01:12:00,320
lines and I was looking for any

1636
01:12:06,010 --> 01:12:03,020
paranormal activity after a ley line was

1637
01:12:07,689 --> 01:12:06,020
identified one of the ones in the system

1638
01:12:10,629 --> 01:12:07,699
connected with the Disneyland ley lines

1639
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:10,639
I write about passed through the the

1640
01:12:15,939 --> 01:12:14,030
local area and when I was doing the

1641
01:12:18,339 --> 01:12:15,949
research I did indeed find out that

1642
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,349
there was a haunting

1643
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:21,199
related to that location where it passed

1644
01:12:26,049 --> 01:12:23,030
where the line passed through and one

1645
01:12:31,089 --> 01:12:26,059
thing led to another and I discovered

1646
01:12:32,589 --> 01:12:31,099
these murders and well which I and my

1647
01:12:34,660 --> 01:12:32,599
co-author Rick Spence

1648
01:12:36,669 --> 01:12:34,670
Richard Spence we present that they were

1649
01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:36,679
murders they were not reported as such

1650
01:12:42,490 --> 01:12:39,860
they're just you know very questionable

1651
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,500
and the further I looked into it the

1652
01:12:46,270 --> 01:12:44,000
more I became convinced that they were

1653
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:46,280
indeed murdered and what's interesting

1654
01:12:52,030 --> 01:12:50,000
is as the book was taking shape and the

1655
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:52,040
spirit activities seemed to die down

1656
01:12:54,549 --> 01:12:54,170
okay obviously one thing leads to

1657
01:12:56,799 --> 01:12:54,559
another

1658
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:56,809
you and your co-author wrote a book

1659
01:13:06,980 --> 01:12:59,920
about the occult origins of Disneyland

1660
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:09,970
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1662
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1663
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1664
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1677
01:14:08,150 --> 01:14:00,240
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1678
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:08,160
don't want you to know you're in the

1679
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:10,800
para cast you never know what's going to

1680
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:18,230
Walter Bosley joining us our co-host for

1681
01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:21,090
the first time but not the last is Greg

1682
01:14:25,730 --> 01:14:23,340
Bishop and if I confuse Walter and

1683
01:14:27,710 --> 01:14:25,740
Bishop again you'll understand why

1684
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:27,720
because I can I had to do that you know

1685
01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:29,730
after watching this TV show for two

1686
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,190
years then you know my brain is

1687
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:33,840
completely alright

1688
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:35,490
Disneyland what's weird about that

1689
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:38,370
what's so weird about and the fact that

1690
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:40,130
it's very expensive

1691
01:14:45,710 --> 01:14:43,980
yes mr. Disney would be spinning in his

1692
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:45,720
grave if he knew how expensive they made

1693
01:14:52,330 --> 01:14:49,080
his park to get into and and then if he

1694
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:52,340
saw the condition it's been in good God

1695
01:14:59,300 --> 01:14:56,010
Disneyland was according to the research

1696
01:15:03,110 --> 01:14:59,310
presented in the book latitude 33 was

1697
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:03,120
built upon an intersection of three what

1698
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,650
we colloquially call ley lines but are

1699
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:10,560
really energy lines part of the world

1700
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,380
grid the idea that there are the this

1701
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:15,360
this energy running through the physical

1702
01:15:17,879 --> 01:15:17,610
planet and covering it like a grid and

1703
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:17,889
then

1704
01:15:23,070 --> 01:15:20,650
other lines shoot off of those main ones

1705
01:15:24,810 --> 01:15:23,080
and basically the earth has has this

1706
01:15:27,209 --> 01:15:24,820
current running through it that can be

1707
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:27,219
tapped into and that's what runs through

1708
01:15:33,020 --> 01:15:30,369
these lines well one particular

1709
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:33,030
gentleman and author named seseri who

1710
01:15:39,330 --> 01:15:37,210
has a theory in a process a method for

1711
01:15:43,649 --> 01:15:39,340
identifying these lines has identified

1712
01:15:46,050 --> 01:15:43,659
three of these lines intersecting on the

1713
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:46,060
disneyland property and interestingly

1714
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:50,560
enough the carousel used to sit right on

1715
01:15:55,979 --> 01:15:53,290
top of where that intersection is the

1716
01:15:58,970 --> 01:15:55,989
carousel was moved in 1982 well what

1717
01:16:02,160 --> 01:15:58,980
kicked off the book latitude 33 was my

1718
01:16:03,959 --> 01:16:02,170
talking with Gregg both privately owned

1719
01:16:07,109 --> 01:16:03,969
on a show about a very strange

1720
01:16:10,649 --> 01:16:07,119
experience I had at Disneyland prior to

1721
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:10,659
1982 and again one thing led to another

1722
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:12,790
and we discovered these ley lines were

1723
01:16:16,410 --> 01:16:14,409
under the carousel my experience

1724
01:16:20,729 --> 01:16:16,420
involved the carousel it was kicked off

1725
01:16:22,859 --> 01:16:20,739
at the carousel and when we delved into

1726
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:22,869
this more dug into it we found out that

1727
01:16:28,050 --> 01:16:25,600
Disneyland well the physical chief

1728
01:16:29,550 --> 01:16:28,060
engineer that actually you know the

1729
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:29,560
physical design of the building of the

1730
01:16:35,370 --> 01:16:33,070
place was a man named CV wood who an

1731
01:16:37,290 --> 01:16:35,380
interesting fellow who worked for the

1732
01:16:39,149 --> 01:16:37,300
Stanford Research Institute now

1733
01:16:40,890 --> 01:16:39,159
everyone's familiar with SR I I'm sure

1734
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,900
your listeners they're the guys who

1735
01:16:45,899 --> 01:16:42,880
develop all sorts of interesting things

1736
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:45,909
including their hand was in remote

1737
01:16:53,310 --> 01:16:49,840
viewing and CV wood was one of their

1738
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:53,320
engineers and when the disneys went to

1739
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:56,320
SR I to get some basic consulting on

1740
01:16:58,649 --> 01:16:57,850
where would be the best place to build

1741
01:17:01,439 --> 01:16:58,659
their Park

1742
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:01,449
they met CV wood he loved the idea of

1743
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,550
Disneyland so much that Walt easily

1744
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:05,920
hired him away from SR I and this

1745
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:09,190
gentleman mr. wood engineered and built

1746
01:17:15,330 --> 01:17:12,880
the park for the Disney's what's

1747
01:17:18,649 --> 01:17:15,340
interesting about wood is he's he had

1748
01:17:21,870 --> 01:17:18,659
always had an interest in in strange

1749
01:17:26,609 --> 01:17:21,880
psychic and extraordinary phenomena he

1750
01:17:28,379 --> 01:17:26,619
was friends with Tom's is a swift I

1751
01:17:31,229 --> 01:17:28,389
think the gentleman who founded the mine

1752
01:17:32,609 --> 01:17:31,239
Science Foundation and

1753
01:17:35,069 --> 01:17:32,619
there there's an organization that

1754
01:17:39,209 --> 01:17:35,079
people like Dean Radin than others have

1755
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:39,219
done work with and they're all about you

1756
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:41,530
know human consciousness and that

1757
01:17:45,540 --> 01:17:43,030
involves extraordinary phenomena and

1758
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,550
such and this is the man who physically

1759
01:17:50,939 --> 01:17:47,920
designed the Magic Kingdom and put a

1760
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:50,949
carousel right on top of where this

1761
01:17:56,609 --> 01:17:54,249
intersection of ley lines were and or is

1762
01:18:00,839 --> 01:17:56,619
to this day the carousel has been moved

1763
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:00,849
and the device as we like to call it the

1764
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:04,090
book theoretically draws the energy up

1765
01:18:07,649 --> 01:18:05,440
from that intersection of these lines

1766
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:07,659
and spreads it out through the park now

1767
01:18:11,609 --> 01:18:10,239
the park being built in a bowl a lot of

1768
01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:11,619
people don't realize that but Disneyland

1769
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:14,289
sets in a bowl with the train going

1770
01:18:18,689 --> 01:18:16,210
around the berm of that bowl the

1771
01:18:19,859 --> 01:18:18,699
perimeter the the the energy drawn up

1772
01:18:22,259 --> 01:18:19,869
from the intersection of ley lines

1773
01:18:25,049 --> 01:18:22,269
spreads out through the park spread by

1774
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:25,059
the carousels motion drawn up and spread

1775
01:18:29,790 --> 01:18:27,730
out and then it gathers at the berm

1776
01:18:32,580 --> 01:18:29,800
where it kind of you know wood curves

1777
01:18:35,759 --> 01:18:32,590
back in the flow back in on itself which

1778
01:18:37,109 --> 01:18:35,769
might explain that that feeling when you

1779
01:18:39,540 --> 01:18:37,119
go there even when you're an adult or

1780
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:39,550
used to it's not as strong now I don't

1781
01:18:44,339 --> 01:18:42,010
think that you just you escape the

1782
01:18:47,609 --> 01:18:44,349
outside world and you were just in this

1783
01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:47,619
other place for the day and you know it

1784
01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:50,289
we present the idea that CV wood did

1785
01:18:53,939 --> 01:18:52,150
this on purpose because of his interest

1786
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,949
in human consciousness that he wanted to

1787
01:18:57,870 --> 01:18:55,360
play with this and see if it would work

1788
01:18:59,939 --> 01:18:57,880
and of course it worked big time has

1789
01:19:02,310 --> 01:18:59,949
anybody noticed this and discussed this

1790
01:19:04,049 --> 01:19:02,320
theory besides when Walter said I was a

1791
01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:04,059
co-author I basically came up the idea

1792
01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:06,340
with him he wrote the book and then I

1793
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:07,900
did a bit of editing before it was

1794
01:19:14,759 --> 01:19:11,489
published the what I was asking was that

1795
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:14,769
if anybody else's has noticed this or

1796
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:17,010
come anywhere near that kind of theory

1797
01:19:22,529 --> 01:19:19,690
you mean well specifically with

1798
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:22,539
Disneyland no but since writing it

1799
01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:24,489
naturally you know you have people to

1800
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:26,289
contact you and you know they've had

1801
01:19:30,959 --> 01:19:28,449
their experiences and all on us you have

1802
01:19:34,799 --> 01:19:30,969
to kind of pick and choose you know that

1803
01:19:38,129 --> 01:19:34,809
kind of data but specifically no no one

1804
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:38,139
has you know approached this material

1805
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:41,170
about Disneyland in this way the other

1806
01:19:43,870 --> 01:19:43,449
question would be logically okay there

1807
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:43,880
are

1808
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:46,880
other Disney theme parks they have

1809
01:19:52,510 --> 01:19:49,610
nothing to do with any of this Disney

1810
01:19:54,970 --> 01:19:52,520
World is now you got to remember there's

1811
01:19:58,210 --> 01:19:54,980
latitude 33 which is 33 degrees north

1812
01:20:00,940 --> 01:19:58,220
latitude but there's there's a and

1813
01:20:02,740 --> 01:20:00,950
that's within a wider zone between 30

1814
01:20:04,780 --> 01:20:02,750
and 40 degrees north latitude where oh

1815
01:20:06,490 --> 01:20:04,790
it goes in a band around the whole globe

1816
01:20:07,210 --> 01:20:06,500
and there's all sorts of interesting

1817
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:07,220
things

1818
01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:10,250
the EES of pyramids you know other

1819
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:12,980
ancient sites but also at latitude 33

1820
01:20:20,650 --> 01:20:16,400
other strange things Roswell is

1821
01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:20,660
essentially at latitude 33 the Dallas

1822
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:23,990
you know the JFK assassination if you're

1823
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:26,000
familiar with Shelby down or take on

1824
01:20:31,090 --> 01:20:28,970
that with all those wild synchronicities

1825
01:20:33,820 --> 01:20:31,100
that that brings the fact that Dallas is

1826
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:33,830
at you know essentially a 33 that makes

1827
01:20:37,540 --> 01:20:35,810
that more interesting what is

1828
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:37,550
interesting is the Disney parks that

1829
01:20:42,370 --> 01:20:38,960
fall within that zone had been very

1830
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:42,380
successful the one that does not has had

1831
01:20:46,660 --> 01:20:44,480
a very checkered past and had a rough

1832
01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:46,670
start and that's Disneyland Paris it's

1833
01:20:52,540 --> 01:20:49,670
out of this zone and Disneyland Paris is

1834
01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:52,550
notoriously been you know the one Disney

1835
01:20:56,380 --> 01:20:54,860
park that has had difficulties all the

1836
01:20:58,480 --> 01:20:56,390
other ones are very successful now CV

1837
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:58,490
would after he had a little falling-out

1838
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:02,000
with Walt he went in designed other

1839
01:21:08,230 --> 01:21:06,410
amusement parks and the only one of his

1840
01:21:10,210 --> 01:21:08,240
amusement parks that he built other than

1841
01:21:14,650 --> 01:21:10,220
Disneyland that has been successful in

1842
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:14,660
remains is one that is built on another

1843
01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:18,080
ley line system and that is Six Flags

1844
01:21:26,230 --> 01:21:22,420
the original Six Flags park in Texas and

1845
01:21:29,410 --> 01:21:26,240
right there outside Arlington and the

1846
01:21:31,410 --> 01:21:29,420
other parks he built they they went by

1847
01:21:34,750 --> 01:21:31,420
the wayside they just weren't successful

1848
01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:34,760
so it's interesting that the parks he

1849
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:38,140
built in these zones at this latitude

1850
01:21:42,940 --> 01:21:41,210
they're successful and the other ones

1851
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:42,950
are not so the question is the question

1852
01:21:47,470 --> 01:21:45,920
we ask is you know that oh and we

1853
01:21:49,660 --> 01:21:47,480
identified that there the other ones

1854
01:21:50,890 --> 01:21:49,670
were not built on ley lines it's the

1855
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:50,900
ones that were built where we've

1856
01:21:56,770 --> 01:21:53,330
identified ley lines going through that

1857
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:56,780
had been successful so now I wonder he

1858
01:22:00,520 --> 01:21:57,350
has

1859
01:22:03,250 --> 01:22:00,530
anyone tried to investigate they terrain

1860
01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:03,260
to see maybe we have electromagnetic

1861
01:22:07,780 --> 01:22:04,580
phenomena or something else that would

1862
01:22:09,730 --> 01:22:07,790
create a higher level of joy when you go

1863
01:22:13,060 --> 01:22:09,740
to the real Disneyland as opposed to the

1864
01:22:15,370 --> 01:22:13,070
pretenders I have never personally taken

1865
01:22:20,140 --> 01:22:15,380
any kind of magnetometer or anything to

1866
01:22:23,140 --> 01:22:20,150
Disneyland yet you know I guess somebody

1867
01:22:25,210 --> 01:22:23,150
should you know I just haven't I've been

1868
01:22:27,490 --> 01:22:25,220
I got busy with some other things so I

1869
01:22:29,380 --> 01:22:27,500
kind of haven't done a lot at Disneyland

1870
01:22:30,820 --> 01:22:29,390
so I would like to do that with you

1871
01:22:34,090 --> 01:22:30,830
because of what I continually tell

1872
01:22:35,740 --> 01:22:34,100
Walter because if somebody tells me they

1873
01:22:37,150 --> 01:22:35,750
believe in something I try to figure out

1874
01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:37,160
why they shouldn't and if somebody tells

1875
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:39,200
me they don't believe in something I try

1876
01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:40,310
to figure out why they're so

1877
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:41,960
closed-minded and aren't considering it

1878
01:22:47,620 --> 01:22:44,090
that's just the way I am yeah my other

1879
01:22:50,050 --> 01:22:47,630
thing too we used to hear the stories in

1880
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:50,060
the UFO field that sightings occurred

1881
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:53,570
over so-called ley lines now can we

1882
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:55,610
define ley lines a little bit better for

1883
01:23:01,120 --> 01:22:56,930
those who haven't followed all this

1884
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,130
stuff yes I I will say that in the new

1885
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:03,440
book we explained that what we're

1886
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:05,690
actually talking about our current lines

1887
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:08,290
that flow through the terrain of the

1888
01:23:15,580 --> 01:23:11,570
these lines of current flow through the

1889
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:15,590
actual terrain of the planet and they

1890
01:23:20,710 --> 01:23:17,450
can be tapped into and what's

1891
01:23:23,140 --> 01:23:20,720
interesting is in session writes about

1892
01:23:25,530 --> 01:23:23,150
this in his book the handprint of Atlas

1893
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:25,540
it goes into better detail than I can

1894
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:27,530
you find all sorts of things like

1895
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:29,690
railroad lines are built basically

1896
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:33,410
following along these lines airports

1897
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:36,770
hospitals radio towers are very often

1898
01:23:41,470 --> 01:23:38,770
placed along these lines somebody in

1899
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:41,480
civil engineering is very much aware of

1900
01:23:45,610 --> 01:23:43,730
this and they're using it now to get

1901
01:23:48,010 --> 01:23:45,620
more specific there's something called

1902
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,020
telluric currents that have been used in

1903
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:50,000
ground radio for over a hundred years

1904
01:23:57,070 --> 01:23:53,840
and we Rick Spence and I get into that a

1905
01:24:00,730 --> 01:23:57,080
little bit in the new book because it we

1906
01:24:02,380 --> 01:24:00,740
believe is connected to what we're what

1907
01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:02,390
we what I investigated and what we're

1908
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:04,580
writing about you know they say Walter

1909
01:24:08,020 --> 01:24:07,310
that everything old is new again yes and

1910
01:24:10,990 --> 01:24:08,030
it was a book

1911
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:11,000
out in 1958 by a French UFO researcher

1912
01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:14,090
aiming Michela with flying saucers in

1913
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:15,560
the straight-line mystery wasn't that

1914
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,810
covering the same thing very similar

1915
01:24:21,370 --> 01:24:19,520
yeah absolutely that that's that's kind

1916
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:21,380
of what we're talking about this this

1917
01:24:29,500 --> 01:24:24,970
energy flows through these lines and

1918
01:24:30,970 --> 01:24:29,510
sure and it can be tapped into UFOs you

1919
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:30,980
know or flying saucers or whatever

1920
01:24:36,430 --> 01:24:34,610
alternate propulsion craft anti-gravity

1921
01:24:40,210 --> 01:24:36,440
craft specifically could tap into this

1922
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:40,220
and use this to to propel you know along

1923
01:24:43,180 --> 01:24:41,570
their path that they want to go but

1924
01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:43,190
originally it goes back to the use of

1925
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:46,310
ley lines goes back to in modern times

1926
01:24:51,790 --> 01:24:48,170
because these things go way back to

1927
01:24:57,340 --> 01:24:51,800
Egyptian times but in modern times a man

1928
01:25:00,100 --> 01:24:57,350
named Alfred Watkins in 1925 was

1929
01:25:02,740 --> 01:25:00,110
investigating these straight-line paths

1930
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,750
of old temples and such in England and

1931
01:25:09,250 --> 01:25:04,400
he ended up writing a book called the

1932
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:09,260
old straight track now I know about this

1933
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:13,910
because back in 1980-81 when I had my

1934
01:25:17,380 --> 01:25:15,410
strange encounter at Disneyland which

1935
01:25:19,870 --> 01:25:17,390
the book goes into I was riding the

1936
01:25:22,210 --> 01:25:19,880
carousel it was sometime after 9:00 p.m.

1937
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,220
in the evening and I saw this this man

1938
01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:24,800
Slenderman somewhere around 70 years old

1939
01:25:29,470 --> 01:25:27,800
with close cropped white hair and a you

1940
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:29,480
know snow white hair snow white beard he

1941
01:25:33,310 --> 01:25:31,010
was wearing a black suit a white shirt

1942
01:25:34,540 --> 01:25:33,320
no tie and he was standing there just

1943
01:25:36,370 --> 01:25:34,550
watching the carousel I was on the

1944
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:36,380
carousel with some friends he will round

1945
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:40,910
in black exactly yeah and he's standing

1946
01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:44,000
there between where like Dumbo and mr.

1947
01:25:48,010 --> 01:25:45,710
toad is that pathway that takes you back

1948
01:25:50,170 --> 01:25:48,020
to Alice in Wonderland and towards the

1949
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:50,180
Matterhorn and he was just standing

1950
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,770
there just watching the carousel go

1951
01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:53,120
round around I saw him about 3 or 4

1952
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:54,590
times and then finally he was gone well

1953
01:25:59,050 --> 01:25:56,960
we got off the carousel and we were

1954
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,060
walking along that path I just described

1955
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:01,040
and as we approached the Matterhorn we

1956
01:26:04,270 --> 01:26:03,770
saw the old man sitting sitting there by

1957
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:04,280
himself

1958
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:05,570
kind of look in our direction and I

1959
01:26:10,180 --> 01:26:07,730
don't know why but I felt compelled to

1960
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:10,190
go up strike up a conversation with him

1961
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,080
and and he said his name was Alfred and

1962
01:26:18,460 --> 01:26:16,880
he had never been to Disneyland before

1963
01:26:20,260 --> 01:26:18,470
and this was in the days when he still

1964
01:26:21,140 --> 01:26:20,270
had ticket books but you could also buy

1965
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,150
a passport

1966
01:26:25,730 --> 01:26:23,760
the unlimited use passport well he had

1967
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:25,740
only like an a ticket or something be

1968
01:26:30,380 --> 01:26:28,500
left and and we decided well let's go

1969
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:30,390
over here and ride it's a small world

1970
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:31,620
because he had not been on that so we

1971
01:26:36,710 --> 01:26:33,510
rode small world with him and I go into

1972
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:36,720
this in the book but it long story short

1973
01:26:40,490 --> 01:26:38,730
it ended up that I just felt like well

1974
01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:40,500
you know I come to Disneyland a lot this

1975
01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:42,450
old guy even he was just looking at the

1976
01:26:47,210 --> 01:26:45,030
place they he was he was as if you were

1977
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:47,220
stunned and amazed at where he was at so

1978
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:49,290
the park was still open for another hour

1979
01:26:53,900 --> 01:26:52,080
and a half I I gave him my passport my

1980
01:26:57,500 --> 01:26:53,910
unlimited passport ticket I told him

1981
01:26:58,580 --> 01:26:57,510
look with this ticket you can go do all

1982
01:27:00,920 --> 01:26:58,590
the other things you want to do

1983
01:27:02,090 --> 01:27:00,930
unlimited you know just have fun you

1984
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,100
still got over an hour and he was

1985
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:04,560
profusely grateful just oh thank you

1986
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:05,850
thank you thank you you know that I

1987
01:27:10,030 --> 01:27:07,890
would do this and I gave it to him and

1988
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:10,040
off he went back into Fantasyland well

1989
01:27:14,570 --> 01:27:12,900
about 12 years later 11 or 12 years

1990
01:27:17,690 --> 01:27:14,580
later I'm working for the FBI I'm in

1991
01:27:19,220 --> 01:27:17,700
Manhattan and I go to the Coliseum

1992
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:19,230
bookstore which is up there down from

1993
01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:23,760
Columbus Circle and I I'm in the section

1994
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:25,800
with those books like guys like us like

1995
01:27:29,630 --> 01:27:27,810
and I'm looking at this book called the

1996
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:29,640
old straight track I'm like hon I opened

1997
01:27:33,890 --> 01:27:31,050
it up and there's a picture of the

1998
01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:33,900
author and I got goosebumps and I didn't

1999
01:27:38,630 --> 01:27:35,880
know what to think and it freaked me out

2000
01:27:41,150 --> 01:27:38,640
because the man in the photo was the man

2001
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:41,160
I saw at Disneyland there was no

2002
01:27:47,050 --> 01:27:44,010
mistaking it and the weird thing was

2003
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:47,060
this man had been dead since I think

2004
01:27:52,220 --> 01:27:49,860
1945 whoa

2005
01:27:55,220 --> 01:27:52,230
yeah nowadays you see our society is so

2006
01:27:57,230 --> 01:27:55,230
weird now we think that anybody like

2007
01:28:00,110 --> 01:27:57,240
that you know the old man hanging around

2008
01:28:02,570 --> 01:28:00,120
Disneyland talking to teenage boys jeez

2009
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:02,580
gotta be a predator slash well you know

2010
01:28:06,980 --> 01:28:05,010
really are in a very and very sick world

2011
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:06,990
where nobody can be trusted anymore play

2012
01:28:11,330 --> 01:28:09,090
different subject the key to the whole

2013
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:11,340
thing is that this old man at Disneyland

2014
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:13,290
who is the spittin image of the man look

2015
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:15,000
in the book he told me his name was

2016
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:17,850
Alfred now it's not like he said Joe or

2017
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:20,730
Bob or Harry or Tom he said Alfred and

2018
01:28:26,090 --> 01:28:23,610
then here 11 years later I learned about

2019
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,100
Alfred Watkins is the guy that wrote

2020
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:28,320
this book on the ley lines well the book

2021
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:31,290
gets into all the myriad possibilities

2022
01:28:34,669 --> 01:28:33,900
of who this old man at Disneyland

2023
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:34,679
could've been

2024
01:28:40,009 --> 01:28:37,920
and what and in with the experience I

2025
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:40,019
had there with my alfred with this

2026
01:28:43,250 --> 01:28:41,489
experience of learning about Alfred

2027
01:28:44,929 --> 01:28:43,260
Watkins for years I tried to figure out

2028
01:28:46,459 --> 01:28:44,939
what's going on you know what happened

2029
01:28:48,799 --> 01:28:46,469
to me at Disneyland and then bring it up

2030
01:28:51,799 --> 01:28:48,809
to the recent times and Greg and I are

2031
01:28:53,419 --> 01:28:51,809
talking about this and we find out we're

2032
01:28:54,859 --> 01:28:53,429
trying to look into the origin of why

2033
01:28:57,979 --> 01:28:54,869
club 33 is called

2034
01:29:00,290 --> 01:28:57,989
club 33 so Greg pulled up Disneyland on

2035
01:29:02,689 --> 01:29:00,300
Wikipedia and I'll be damned

2036
01:29:04,819 --> 01:29:02,699
but Wikipedia always has Latin longitude

2037
01:29:08,540 --> 01:29:04,829
of any place you look up and there it

2038
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:08,550
was the latitude is 33 point one eight

2039
01:29:11,810 --> 01:29:09,900
eight one or eight one one eight

2040
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:11,820
something like that and we were two

2041
01:29:17,810 --> 01:29:13,199
point eight something

2042
01:29:19,790 --> 01:29:17,820
yeah and we're like wow wow club 33 and

2043
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:19,800
Disney lands on the 33rd degree of

2044
01:29:24,109 --> 01:29:22,170
latitude now they tell you that 33

2045
01:29:25,850 --> 01:29:24,119
represents the first 33 sponsors of

2046
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:25,860
Disneyland okay and that may be true but

2047
01:29:31,850 --> 01:29:30,090
there is just a mile synchronicity and

2048
01:29:33,379 --> 01:29:31,860
as far as synchronicities go that I

2049
01:29:35,149 --> 01:29:33,389
personally experienced in the last three

2050
01:29:37,219 --> 01:29:35,159
years alone let me tell you that's a

2051
01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:37,229
mild synchronicity but a synchronicity

2052
01:29:42,589 --> 01:29:40,110
indeed so I wonder what is this telling

2053
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:42,599
me what in the hell is going on here I

2054
01:29:48,450 --> 01:29:53,630
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this is the bare cast you never know

2075
01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:46,180
what's gonna happen next

2076
01:30:55,950 --> 01:30:53,459
Greg Bishop is our co-host Walter Bosley

2077
01:30:59,010 --> 01:30:55,960
joins us and he is talking about

2078
01:31:00,030 --> 01:30:59,020
synchronicity so what the hell is going

2079
01:31:07,050 --> 01:31:00,040
on here my friend

2080
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:07,060
I suspect that the leylines the carousel

2081
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:08,890
being on those ley lines at Disneyland

2082
01:31:15,930 --> 01:31:12,449
I'm I was writing it and I suspect that

2083
01:31:17,550 --> 01:31:15,940
the Alfred that I encountered and again

2084
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:17,560
this I go into the book on this the

2085
01:31:23,790 --> 01:31:20,650
Alfred that I encountered was either a

2086
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:23,800
man who was the spittin image of Alfred

2087
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:28,000
Watkins with the same name and the

2088
01:31:33,419 --> 01:31:30,730
universe the the the entities whatever

2089
01:31:36,330 --> 01:31:33,429
you want to say put made our paths cross

2090
01:31:38,370 --> 01:31:36,340
so that years later when I learned about

2091
01:31:41,220 --> 01:31:38,380
Alfred Watkins I would make the

2092
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,230
connection and investigate what I indeed

2093
01:31:46,590 --> 01:31:43,600
investigated the question here a silly

2094
01:31:49,050 --> 01:31:46,600
question and have any children Alfred

2095
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:49,060
Watkins sure because you think well

2096
01:31:54,090 --> 01:31:51,610
maybe he's a man who died I don't know

2097
01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:54,100
what age but now we have a 70 year old

2098
01:31:59,130 --> 01:31:56,710
man and now you're seeing that 70 year

2099
01:32:02,189 --> 01:31:59,140
old man what 35 years after the original

2100
01:32:03,660 --> 01:32:02,199
died does ya sense yeah yeah I see what

2101
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:03,670
you're saying interesting enough yeah he

2102
01:32:09,899 --> 01:32:06,690
had children but you got to remember

2103
01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:09,909
once I came upon what I've been

2104
01:32:14,729 --> 01:32:12,310
investigating for three years I set

2105
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:14,739
delving into the Disneyland thing aside

2106
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:17,920
because what I found was so much bigger

2107
01:32:24,090 --> 01:32:21,610
and more impactful so yes Watkins had

2108
01:32:25,950 --> 01:32:24,100
kids I recall in my research not being

2109
01:32:28,140 --> 01:32:25,960
able to find out very much at all about

2110
01:32:30,660 --> 01:32:28,150
them which is interesting in itself

2111
01:32:32,729 --> 01:32:30,670
but it yeah it could have been that the

2112
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:32,739
double was even you know Watkins son

2113
01:32:36,090 --> 01:32:33,520
theoretically

2114
01:32:38,939 --> 01:32:36,100
another possibility is something Greg

2115
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:38,949
actually suggested and that is what I

2116
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:41,110
encountered was actually a Tulpa and

2117
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:43,449
that is a physicalized

2118
01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:48,850
entity that was indeed a you what's the

2119
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:51,390
word for a substitute Alfred

2120
01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:54,250
you know that that was brought up to do

2121
01:32:58,860 --> 01:32:56,140
the same thing that the double would

2122
01:33:01,100 --> 01:32:58,870
have and that was plant the idea in my

2123
01:33:03,950 --> 01:33:01,110
head so that later I would recognize

2124
01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:03,960
when I saw it and then you know

2125
01:33:08,630 --> 01:33:05,460
ultimately investigate what I

2126
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:08,640
investigated the third possibility is my

2127
01:33:13,580 --> 01:33:10,890
personal favorite and that is that

2128
01:33:15,220 --> 01:33:13,590
Alfred Watkins back in 1925 when he's

2129
01:33:17,210 --> 01:33:15,230
investigating this stuff in England

2130
01:33:21,410 --> 01:33:17,220
stepped into one of these intersections

2131
01:33:25,250 --> 01:33:21,420
and was physically transported across

2132
01:33:28,220 --> 01:33:25,260
time and space to Disneyland that day

2133
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:28,230
and that night in 1981 and that would

2134
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,810
explain why my Alfred was so kind of

2135
01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:32,880
wide-eyed and amazed about where the

2136
01:33:37,790 --> 01:33:35,820
hell am I and I like this is a small

2137
01:33:39,530 --> 01:33:37,800
potatoes you're saying there are things

2138
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:39,540
that are even more significant let's

2139
01:33:44,810 --> 01:33:41,730
focus on some of those well I was

2140
01:33:46,340 --> 01:33:44,820
referring to my new research and again

2141
01:33:50,780 --> 01:33:46,350
I'm not gonna go in too great a detail

2142
01:33:55,850 --> 01:33:50,790
on that yet but things that basically

2143
01:34:00,580 --> 01:33:55,860
there's a network of things done on

2144
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:00,590
these intersections there have been I

2145
01:34:08,630 --> 01:34:05,570
believe I suspect acts of murder

2146
01:34:13,460 --> 01:34:08,640
committed on these ley line

2147
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:13,470
intersections magical when I say magical

2148
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:15,570
I mean high magic like a Nokian type

2149
01:34:20,990 --> 01:34:18,810
magic conducted on these things

2150
01:34:25,370 --> 01:34:21,000
in other words extreme events yeah

2151
01:34:28,850 --> 01:34:25,380
extreme events and or at least with the

2152
01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:28,860
goal to cause an extreme event and in

2153
01:34:34,700 --> 01:34:30,780
researching this I have encountered

2154
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:34,710
intense synchronicities presences

2155
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:39,210
I've even yeah I even had an entity a

2156
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:44,250
particular goddess show herself on the

2157
01:34:52,370 --> 01:34:47,010
side of a mountain that happened about

2158
01:34:54,260 --> 01:34:52,380
two years ago to me what did that look

2159
01:34:58,400 --> 01:34:54,270
like I don't want to identify the

2160
01:35:00,890 --> 01:34:58,410
goddess right now I starting yeah you

2161
01:35:03,140 --> 01:35:00,900
guys heard of the admonition of Isis you

2162
01:35:05,060 --> 01:35:03,150
know when Isis lifts her veil and shows

2163
01:35:09,740 --> 01:35:05,070
you what she really looks like her

2164
01:35:12,650 --> 01:35:09,750
legend is to tell no one and this has

2165
01:35:14,540 --> 01:35:12,660
left me I'll be honest with you I'm I'm

2166
01:35:17,149 --> 01:35:14,550
closer to

2167
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:17,159
once the new book is out in the

2168
01:35:22,819 --> 01:35:18,960
follow-up that there's plenty of

2169
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:22,829
material for maybe taking a break from

2170
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:25,679
talking about all this stuff and just

2171
01:35:30,890 --> 01:35:28,170
kind of you know going away from it all

2172
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:30,900
because what I have found has been so

2173
01:35:38,089 --> 01:35:34,249
has had such a profound impact on me and

2174
01:35:41,930 --> 01:35:38,099
I've only I've talked probably with Greg

2175
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:41,940
and maybe two other very close

2176
01:35:48,410 --> 01:35:44,730
confidants and anywhere near the details

2177
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:48,420
about this and there's even certain

2178
01:35:53,509 --> 01:35:51,119
aspects you know certain impressions

2179
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:53,519
that it's left on me but it's that whole

2180
01:35:58,700 --> 01:35:55,920
thing I I'm beginning to understand why

2181
01:36:00,169 --> 01:35:58,710
Isis says tell no one aside from the

2182
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:00,179
fact that making you look like what

2183
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:02,010
Anthony Hopkins calls him Bram Stoker's

2184
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:07,440
Dracula Godzone Mad Men it did things

2185
01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:08,880
that you know what people just aren't

2186
01:36:15,859 --> 01:36:11,249
gonna believe and the experiences I've

2187
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:15,869
had it it's I I don't care if people

2188
01:36:22,069 --> 01:36:18,239
believe it I mean I'm at that point now

2189
01:36:25,700 --> 01:36:22,079
I honestly really don't care if people

2190
01:36:29,299 --> 01:36:25,710
don't believe me I'm not here I you know

2191
01:36:32,209 --> 01:36:29,309
on certain things to convince anyone

2192
01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:32,219
anymore you know Walter there's a we

2193
01:36:35,299 --> 01:36:33,900
listen to you say these things and I've

2194
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:35,309
read some of your stuff and talked to

2195
01:36:40,910 --> 01:36:38,730
you I remain convinced on some things

2196
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:40,920
and sort of convinced on others but the

2197
01:36:46,879 --> 01:36:44,130
point is that when you start looking at

2198
01:36:48,830 --> 01:36:46,889
some of these weird things they are only

2199
01:36:50,779 --> 01:36:48,840
gonna make sense for you and there's a

2200
01:36:52,819 --> 01:36:50,789
real trick to figure out how it's gonna

2201
01:36:55,310 --> 01:36:52,829
make sense to other people that's right

2202
01:36:56,750 --> 01:36:55,320
listen this author that we talked to he

2203
01:36:58,189 --> 01:36:56,760
goes about and we're not gonna say who

2204
01:37:01,609 --> 01:36:58,199
it is because I don't think he wants it

2205
01:37:05,089 --> 01:37:01,619
revealed but he he goes about things by

2206
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:05,099
making really strange on things that

2207
01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:06,210
don't seem connected

2208
01:37:10,729 --> 01:37:08,369
he will make connections somehow almost

2209
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:10,739
in an alchemical way and then he'll go

2210
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:12,449
look for the evidence to support it and

2211
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:14,010
more often than not he finds it and

2212
01:37:18,350 --> 01:37:15,360
people say how the hell did you find

2213
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:18,360
that and but he won't tell them that he

2214
01:37:24,799 --> 01:37:22,170
took an educated weirdo guess yeah and

2215
01:37:26,209 --> 01:37:24,809
then he did it backwards most people you

2216
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:26,219
know they have a theory or they get some

2217
01:37:28,830 --> 01:37:26,770
information

2218
01:37:30,750 --> 01:37:28,840
they form a theory out of it he forms

2219
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:30,760
the theory first based on almost on

2220
01:37:34,530 --> 01:37:32,770
intuition then he goes he looks for the

2221
01:37:37,050 --> 01:37:34,540
information and like I said more often

2222
01:37:40,290 --> 01:37:37,060
than not he finds it that fascinates me

2223
01:37:42,210 --> 01:37:40,300
and question would be then is he

2224
01:37:44,250 --> 01:37:42,220
coloring what he's finding because he

2225
01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:44,260
expects to find it you know but the

2226
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:46,150
point is to make it understandable to

2227
01:37:51,210 --> 01:37:47,920
other people not just convinced himself

2228
01:37:52,710 --> 01:37:51,220
and the point is that he does that he

2229
01:37:55,230 --> 01:37:52,720
does it to me he does it and you know to

2230
01:37:58,020 --> 01:37:55,240
my satisfaction and I'm exceedingly

2231
01:38:00,270 --> 01:37:58,030
sceptical about things oh and it's it's

2232
01:38:04,140 --> 01:38:00,280
an amazing method and and that's kind of

2233
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:04,150
of what I experienced ii-i'll tell you

2234
01:38:08,730 --> 01:38:07,090
flat-out I discovered what I discovered

2235
01:38:10,530 --> 01:38:08,740
that what I've been investigating for

2236
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:10,540
three years and writing about after I

2237
01:38:16,020 --> 01:38:13,330
started doing remote viewing in August

2238
01:38:18,420 --> 01:38:16,030
of 2007 well you know what we can almost

2239
01:38:20,340 --> 01:38:18,430
do a remote viewing show with you and at

2240
01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:20,350
something which I wanted to follow-up

2241
01:38:24,450 --> 01:38:22,780
when you mentioned this on our previous

2242
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:24,460
episode the one where we were covering

2243
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:27,010
Mac Tony's work and the theories about

2244
01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:28,810
UFOs from the Inner Earth and

2245
01:38:32,820 --> 01:38:30,460
unfortunately we don't have time today

2246
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,830
to do I write but it's something that we

2247
01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:34,960
need to explore in future this book when

2248
01:38:40,140 --> 01:38:36,820
will it be out well

2249
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,150
the our agent is we're still we're going

2250
01:38:45,930 --> 01:38:42,400
through the editorial process as he is

2251
01:38:47,970 --> 01:38:45,940
making the the preparations to present

2252
01:38:50,610 --> 01:38:47,980
it to a couple of publishers he's

2253
01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:50,620
already spoke with a little bit on it

2254
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:53,020
he said that realistically either later

2255
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:56,530
this year or early next year he's very

2256
01:39:03,630 --> 01:38:59,920
excited about it what once he from the

2257
01:39:05,460 --> 01:39:03,640
time he read the the outline and now you

2258
01:39:07,530 --> 01:39:05,470
know after reading the book he was just

2259
01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:07,540
bowled over by you know what we've got

2260
01:39:13,100 --> 01:39:10,600
in there essentially it kind of that's

2261
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,110
how Richard Spence came into it was he

2262
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:15,760
some of his past writings I was using

2263
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:18,880
his you know in my research and so I

2264
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:21,610
contacted him and told him what I was

2265
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:23,890
looking into and he was so helpful just

2266
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:26,320
giving me all sorts of information so

2267
01:39:30,030 --> 01:39:28,330
finally after a few months of this I

2268
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:30,040
said hey Rick why don't you write this

2269
01:39:33,780 --> 01:39:31,840
thing with me because I really feel like

2270
01:39:36,330 --> 01:39:33,790
you could bring you know something with

2271
01:39:38,380 --> 01:39:36,340
it and he he was said yeah absolutely

2272
01:39:40,630 --> 01:39:38,390
and so for the last year he

2273
01:39:44,020 --> 01:39:40,640
I've been you know getting this book out

2274
01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:44,030
there and so you know it's it's very I'm

2275
01:39:48,730 --> 01:39:46,940
very excited about it it's got the book

2276
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:48,740
itself does not get into these things

2277
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:50,210
I'm telling you about my experience

2278
01:39:55,870 --> 01:39:52,970
writing it no way no way is that going

2279
01:39:58,570 --> 01:39:55,880
to be in the book but these things I'm

2280
01:40:01,150 --> 01:39:58,580
talking about that I experienced these

2281
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:01,160
are what led me to what you read in the

2282
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:04,370
book now when I say led me to it led me

2283
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:08,330
to the specific detail to research which

2284
01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:11,330
I then found the evidence for okay and I

2285
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:13,540
know what you're saying Jean about well

2286
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:17,450
you know is in creating the evidence no

2287
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:20,480
it's it's this indirect way of looking

2288
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:24,170
at things you end up finding that the

2289
01:40:29,530 --> 01:40:26,210
evidence for what you suspect is there

2290
01:40:32,190 --> 01:40:29,540
exists okay well let's have a very quick

2291
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:32,200
summary then what is the book about

2292
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:35,050
really the book is about some

2293
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:39,050
questionable deaths that and I and I'm

2294
01:40:42,970 --> 01:40:40,880
not gonna give a detail where or when

2295
01:40:45,340 --> 01:40:42,980
because I really don't want you know

2296
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:45,350
someone else rushing out and beating us

2297
01:40:48,700 --> 01:40:47,210
to the punch quite frankly and I worked

2298
01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:48,710
too hard on this to hand it to someone

2299
01:40:57,340 --> 01:40:51,490
else at this point

2300
01:40:59,770 --> 01:40:57,350
but these deaths were I believe they

2301
01:41:01,420 --> 01:40:59,780
were not recognized at least publicly

2302
01:41:03,220 --> 01:41:01,430
for what they actually were and I

2303
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:03,230
believe they were serial killings and

2304
01:41:09,580 --> 01:41:07,730
what happened was my research turned up

2305
01:41:12,610 --> 01:41:09,590
that it looked like there was some

2306
01:41:15,820 --> 01:41:12,620
occult motivation going on and this

2307
01:41:19,870 --> 01:41:15,830
occult motivation was tied to the ley

2308
01:41:23,710 --> 01:41:19,880
line system and in the book identify the

2309
01:41:26,230 --> 01:41:23,720
actual entity that the people who I

2310
01:41:29,980 --> 01:41:26,240
believe did this believed they were

2311
01:41:32,260 --> 01:41:29,990
doing it on behalf of and in that we

2312
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:32,270
reveal some very interesting historical

2313
01:41:38,830 --> 01:41:35,450
things associated with it and that's

2314
01:41:40,570 --> 01:41:38,840
really the best I can do right now you

2315
01:41:42,340 --> 01:41:40,580
know maybe a few months down the road as

2316
01:41:45,010 --> 01:41:42,350
soon as we get the actual publisher

2317
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:45,020
identified then you know we'll be

2318
01:41:51,959 --> 01:41:49,130
talking a lot more about it but what it

2319
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:51,969
basically is is a a system that

2320
01:41:57,620 --> 01:41:53,920
Walter's discovery of possible

2321
01:42:00,000 --> 01:41:57,630
ritualized sacrifice involving humans

2322
01:42:08,069 --> 01:42:00,010
taking place in the early part of the

2323
01:42:10,140 --> 01:42:08,079
20th century for 58 years

2324
01:42:12,689 --> 01:42:10,150
fate has provided true reports of the

2325
01:42:15,029 --> 01:42:12,699
strange and unknown fate brings you the

2326
01:42:17,009 --> 01:42:15,039
latest in all aspects of the paranormal

2327
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:17,019
like angels and miracles psychic

2328
01:42:22,620 --> 01:42:20,320
phenomena ghosts UFOs and much much more

2329
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:22,630
to receive your complimentary fate

2330
01:42:29,399 --> 01:42:25,119
magazine call now at one eight hundred

2331
01:42:38,359 --> 01:42:29,409
seven two eight two seven three oh or

2332
01:42:38,369 --> 01:42:47,240
www.wku.edu/oucampus

2333
01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:59,100
[Music]

2334
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:02,250
hear that George snoring we have our

2335
01:43:07,469 --> 01:43:04,570
co-host Greg Bishop we're talking to

2336
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:07,479
Walter Bosley about various and sundry

2337
01:43:13,319 --> 01:43:10,570
things did you have a moment to pick up

2338
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:13,329
that blog article about Mac Tony's book

2339
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:16,210
crypto terrestrials I done a couple of

2340
01:43:21,959 --> 01:43:18,610
searches and oddly enough let me put in

2341
01:43:24,779 --> 01:43:21,969
one more name here maybe that will this

2342
01:43:27,209 --> 01:43:24,789
is ladies and gentlemen is live research

2343
01:43:29,939 --> 01:43:27,219
on the radio yeah Italy happening oh

2344
01:43:33,419 --> 01:43:29,949
here we go right here it's at UF snacks

2345
01:43:36,930 --> 01:43:33,429
at UFO iconoclast oh what a surprise

2346
01:43:39,390 --> 01:43:36,940
and the article is called

2347
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:39,400
the lie about aliens from the Inner

2348
01:43:43,709 --> 01:43:41,170
Earth do i name the author or not

2349
01:43:46,169 --> 01:43:43,719
anthony breguet Leah okay that's his

2350
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:46,179
initials yes Oh what it what a surprise

2351
01:43:51,029 --> 01:43:47,920
okay I'll have to go look at it I'm

2352
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:51,039
gonna see if anyone responded to my

2353
01:43:54,959 --> 01:43:53,440
reply my opinion of Anthea and Berget

2354
01:43:56,969 --> 01:43:54,969
leah is he finds something he thinks

2355
01:43:59,279 --> 01:43:56,979
that will piss people off and then tries

2356
01:44:01,140 --> 01:43:59,289
to support it without really taking the

2357
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:01,150
time to figure out if it's gonna be well

2358
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:03,130
supported in the first place oh he was

2359
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:03,530
him on

2360
01:44:08,770 --> 01:44:05,090
came out with a theory by the way ladies

2361
01:44:11,950 --> 01:44:08,780
and gentlemen that the case in saqqara

2362
01:44:14,140 --> 01:44:11,960
New Mexico was faked and his reasons

2363
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,150
seem rather bogus in fact we tried to

2364
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:16,400
get him on the show to debate Rea

2365
01:44:21,940 --> 01:44:19,610
Stanford and talk about the case but he

2366
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:21,950
declined to participate yeah I I have

2367
01:44:26,890 --> 01:44:25,280
mr. regali as response to my comment

2368
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:26,900
last night if you'd like me to read it

2369
01:44:29,530 --> 01:44:27,920
live on the air here

2370
01:44:32,370 --> 01:44:29,540
you know I why'd you read it maybe this

2371
01:44:36,130 --> 01:44:32,380
will frame what his criticism is okay

2372
01:44:38,020 --> 01:44:36,140
now mr. Bosley a quick google on you

2373
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:38,030
review this guy apparently does all his

2374
01:44:44,050 --> 01:44:40,850
research on Wikipedia and Google that's

2375
01:44:45,610 --> 01:44:44,060
not a bad way a quick google on you he

2376
01:44:47,260 --> 01:44:45,620
does other research too he actually

2377
01:44:49,630 --> 01:44:47,270
calls people writes letters and all that

2378
01:44:52,420 --> 01:44:49,640
so it's not that good okay

2379
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:52,430
reveals is friending him here okay a

2380
01:44:56,290 --> 01:44:54,170
quick google on me reveals several

2381
01:44:58,270 --> 01:44:56,300
interesting things he says this is him

2382
01:45:00,040 --> 01:44:58,280
saying to me you believe that Disneyland

2383
01:45:02,350 --> 01:45:00,050
was built on purpose at its particular

2384
01:45:04,450 --> 01:45:02,360
California location due to the special

2385
01:45:06,670 --> 01:45:04,460
convergence of ley lines it was cited

2386
01:45:10,630 --> 01:45:06,680
there because it lies within a mystical

2387
01:45:12,820 --> 01:45:10,640
in quotes geophysical zone okay yes you

2388
01:45:14,620 --> 01:45:12,830
see special significance in latitude 33

2389
01:45:16,420 --> 01:45:14,630
and that energy lines run along this

2390
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:16,430
latitude that somehow affect the course

2391
01:45:22,510 --> 01:45:20,480
of events yes the JFK assassination in

2392
01:45:25,090 --> 01:45:22,520
the Roswell crash are both somehow tied

2393
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:25,100
to the specific latitude yes they are

2394
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:28,730
physically located on this latitude mr.

2395
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:31,520
Berg Elia then he says you have admitted

2396
01:45:35,950 --> 01:45:33,530
that some of your novels are based on

2397
01:45:38,830 --> 01:45:35,960
your real research or is it the other

2398
01:45:41,020 --> 01:45:38,840
way around I can now understand why you

2399
01:45:44,290 --> 01:45:41,030
buy into the crypto myth and such

2400
01:45:46,060 --> 01:45:44,300
adventure fiction in quotes you write

2401
01:45:48,190 --> 01:45:46,070
fiction under the pseudonym be a guest

2402
01:45:50,890 --> 01:45:48,200
and by the way I know of another former

2403
01:45:54,370 --> 01:45:50,900
AF OSI agent his name is Rick Doty he'll

2404
01:45:56,350 --> 01:45:54,380
tell you tall tales till Tuesday a JB

2405
01:46:00,190 --> 01:45:56,360
guilt by association

2406
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:00,200
gosh this guy's mind is you couldn't

2407
01:46:04,630 --> 01:46:02,510
pull a needle out of this guy's ass if

2408
01:46:06,610 --> 01:46:04,640
you used a tractor I'm thinking well I

2409
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:06,620
think the point he's making is not to

2410
01:46:12,610 --> 01:46:10,610
not to discuss the material at hand but

2411
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:12,620
it sounds like more like character

2412
01:46:16,510 --> 01:46:14,090
assassination I don't know if he

2413
01:46:19,870 --> 01:46:16,520
actually goes into the material and hand

2414
01:46:21,700 --> 01:46:19,880
and supports himself on I don't have to

2415
01:46:23,890 --> 01:46:21,710
read the article but if you have nothing

2416
01:46:25,630 --> 01:46:23,900
just you know if you have nothing to say

2417
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:25,640
you go after somebody's character has

2418
01:46:29,650 --> 01:46:27,290
nothing to do with your argument and

2419
01:46:32,140 --> 01:46:29,660
that's a very weak ok well the most

2420
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:32,150
important point here Walter in his

2421
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:34,490
original article which you commented on

2422
01:46:39,850 --> 01:46:37,280
you don't have any points valid points

2423
01:46:42,930 --> 01:46:39,860
or even you know it's beyond character

2424
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:42,940
assassination to make max theories

2425
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:46,370
basically it really no it to me it came

2426
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:48,890
off and and it did to others to Michael

2427
01:46:54,340 --> 01:46:52,490
Mott and who gave very good rebuttal to

2428
01:46:57,220 --> 01:46:54,350
the guy Nick Redfern was the first one

2429
01:46:58,900 --> 01:46:57,230
to jump in and say whoa Anthony hold on

2430
01:47:01,210 --> 01:46:58,910
here a second Nick is in there

2431
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:01,220
Mike mots in there you know I joined the

2432
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:05,170
fray basically this guy has his view

2433
01:47:09,940 --> 01:47:08,000
he's already made up his mind and I'm

2434
01:47:12,670 --> 01:47:09,950
guessing you know I don't know whose

2435
01:47:15,190 --> 01:47:12,680
blog this is maybe it's his so therefore

2436
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:15,200
it's his forum so you know he's gonna be

2437
01:47:20,890 --> 01:47:18,770
a hundred percent himself but he really

2438
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:20,900
is just clearly made up his mind that

2439
01:47:28,180 --> 01:47:24,170
everything accepts the ETH is a bunch of

2440
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:28,190
BS and isn't there isn't that ironic but

2441
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:30,770
that's you know he looks like he's a

2442
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:31,520
dyed-in-the-wool

2443
01:47:38,230 --> 01:47:34,970
et religions supporter and everybody

2444
01:47:40,990 --> 01:47:38,240
else is a fool everybody else believes a

2445
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:41,000
bunch of lies everybody else you know is

2446
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:44,930
a knucklehead he of course is the

2447
01:47:51,820 --> 01:47:48,080
brilliant man of clarity who really

2448
01:47:54,610 --> 01:47:51,830
knows what is but I see already in his

2449
01:47:57,820 --> 01:47:54,620
rebuttal he's just basically I thought

2450
01:47:59,950 --> 01:47:57,830
what we've heard is he's an ETH / yeah

2451
01:48:02,620 --> 01:47:59,960
well I mean basically his response to me

2452
01:48:04,780 --> 01:48:02,630
is he listed a bunch of stuff that yeah

2453
01:48:06,730 --> 01:48:04,790
is yeah these are the theories I put out

2454
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:06,740
there he didn't list any rebuttal to it

2455
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:09,530
and then he attacks me essentially you

2456
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:11,090
know a backhanded character

2457
01:48:16,270 --> 01:48:12,800
assassination so I don't know who

2458
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:16,280
Anthony Berg alia is I never heard of

2459
01:48:21,550 --> 01:48:19,310
him until I happen to find this and I

2460
01:48:23,380 --> 01:48:21,560
don't really care he's you know I think

2461
01:48:25,450 --> 01:48:23,390
I think we've all tousled with him I I

2462
01:48:30,670 --> 01:48:25,460
did a little bit on the socorro thing

2463
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:30,680
and he like I said he'll be he seems to

2464
01:48:35,440 --> 01:48:32,960
base his research first on a belief and

2465
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,450
and seemingly a desire to irritate and

2466
01:48:40,030 --> 01:48:37,760
piss people off rather than trying to

2467
01:48:42,010 --> 01:48:40,040
find out where the facts might lead to

2468
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:42,020
the point of you know stuffing things

2469
01:48:46,030 --> 01:48:43,760
into the box where they shouldn't be

2470
01:48:49,090 --> 01:48:46,040
it's something things into a belief box

2471
01:48:50,740 --> 01:48:49,100
where they don't quite fit as witnessed

2472
01:48:52,900 --> 01:48:50,750
if you read like Jean said the thing

2473
01:48:54,430 --> 01:48:52,910
about Socorro

2474
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:54,440
he's also somebody that believes

2475
01:48:58,660 --> 01:48:56,960
wholeheartedly in the Roswell was

2476
01:49:00,280 --> 01:48:58,670
extraterrestrials from another planet

2477
01:49:02,740 --> 01:49:00,290
theory and he won't let go of that

2478
01:49:06,250 --> 01:49:02,750
either so so my mind that's somebody

2479
01:49:08,830 --> 01:49:06,260
that is basically like I said using

2480
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:08,840
using opinions first in research and and

2481
01:49:14,140 --> 01:49:11,840
and in critical thinking second and

2482
01:49:15,730 --> 01:49:14,150
sometimes a distant second and I hope he

2483
01:49:19,900 --> 01:49:15,740
hears this and gets mad because then

2484
01:49:22,300 --> 01:49:19,910
maybe I'll respond well we always bring

2485
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:22,310
him on the show and let him basically

2486
01:49:28,030 --> 01:49:25,010
defend himself say okay you're coming up

2487
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:28,040
with these ideas you tell us what are

2488
01:49:31,870 --> 01:49:29,690
your facts stop the character

2489
01:49:34,210 --> 01:49:31,880
assassination or maybe we should ignore

2490
01:49:36,970 --> 01:49:34,220
him yeah yeah yeah and then on top of

2491
01:49:38,980 --> 01:49:36,980
that give us something beyond what you

2492
01:49:41,140 --> 01:49:38,990
yourself would call nonsense to support

2493
01:49:43,210 --> 01:49:41,150
the theory you're embracing that other

2494
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:43,220
people would call equally nonsense

2495
01:49:47,020 --> 01:49:44,930
that's the thing that gets me but enough

2496
01:49:47,380 --> 01:49:47,030
about this guy he's he's gonna get off

2497
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:47,390
on us

2498
01:49:51,940 --> 01:49:49,010
talking about him and he's not worth it

2499
01:49:53,590 --> 01:49:51,950
that's the intention yeah so just

2500
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:53,600
probably why I stopped responding to him

2501
01:49:56,020 --> 01:49:54,800
a long time ago because it's one of

2502
01:49:57,580 --> 01:49:56,030
those things where you just start going

2503
01:49:59,650 --> 01:49:57,590
in circles and it's not accomplishing

2504
01:50:02,470 --> 01:49:59,660
anything I'm not learning anything and

2505
01:50:04,030 --> 01:50:02,480
this acting is mine so why bother yeah

2506
01:50:05,890 --> 01:50:04,040
these these are the people when you when

2507
01:50:08,020 --> 01:50:05,900
you get into that it's no good talking

2508
01:50:09,070 --> 01:50:08,030
to each other at all because we we just

2509
01:50:12,220 --> 01:50:09,080
don't want to hear what each other has

2510
01:50:14,410 --> 01:50:12,230
to say so where the UFO field you know

2511
01:50:17,050 --> 01:50:14,420
you find that characters like this in

2512
01:50:18,910 --> 01:50:17,060
the UFO field who are so dogmatic about

2513
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:18,920
their own theories they don't entertain

2514
01:50:22,060 --> 01:50:20,960
any other possibilities and one of the

2515
01:50:23,950 --> 01:50:22,070
things we've tried to do here in the

2516
01:50:26,230 --> 01:50:23,960
power cast and certainly what the people

2517
01:50:28,990 --> 01:50:26,240
that I'm so happy to have join me as

2518
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:29,000
co-host Greg and Nick Redfern Paul

2519
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:32,690
Kimball and Chris O'Brien we look into

2520
01:50:37,690 --> 01:50:36,170
what's going on without a preconceived

2521
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:37,700
notion of where it's going to take us

2522
01:50:40,860 --> 01:50:38,530
because

2523
01:50:42,900 --> 01:50:40,870
the road is very surprising and that's

2524
01:50:44,820 --> 01:50:42,910
also another point it may be mentioned

2525
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:44,830
as we get towards the end of this Walter

2526
01:50:48,420 --> 01:50:47,170
is there an end game is there any way

2527
01:50:50,700 --> 01:50:48,430
we'll ever find out what's really going

2528
01:50:53,670 --> 01:50:50,710
on or does the mystery itself keep

2529
01:50:56,250 --> 01:50:53,680
taking us to the next stage I think that

2530
01:51:01,110 --> 01:50:56,260
there is an end game for us as

2531
01:51:04,170 --> 01:51:01,120
individuals they're wrong it but I think

2532
01:51:07,710 --> 01:51:04,180
the big picture goes on and on and on it

2533
01:51:10,740 --> 01:51:07,720
is eternal the reason Isis says tell no

2534
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:10,750
one is because here's here's the thing

2535
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:12,610
like the people with disclosure the the

2536
01:51:18,690 --> 01:51:16,330
people must know we have a right we be s

2537
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:18,700
this is one thing that my experiences of

2538
01:51:22,830 --> 01:51:20,650
the last three years have convinced me I

2539
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:22,840
suspected before but I've been convinced

2540
01:51:27,300 --> 01:51:25,360
we don't have a right to know the

2541
01:51:29,550 --> 01:51:27,310
mysteries knowing the answers to the

2542
01:51:32,670 --> 01:51:29,560
mysteries knowing the truth is something

2543
01:51:36,540 --> 01:51:32,680
you got to earn as an individual okay

2544
01:51:39,420 --> 01:51:36,550
and so disclosure a bunch of malarkey we

2545
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:39,430
don't have the right to know that but

2546
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:42,370
you have the ability to learn it go out

2547
01:51:45,900 --> 01:51:44,050
there and dig it out for yourself learn

2548
01:51:47,970 --> 01:51:45,910
it for yourself and and all the answers

2549
01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:47,980
to the mysteries are that way and it's a

2550
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:50,590
path that you have to show you're worthy

2551
01:51:55,530 --> 01:51:53,050
before the truth will reveal itself to

2552
01:51:57,960 --> 01:51:55,540
you it's like you you know casting

2553
01:51:59,540 --> 01:51:57,970
pearls before swine you know not every

2554
01:52:03,830 --> 01:51:59,550
living breathing person on this planet

2555
01:52:08,180 --> 01:52:03,840
is not a knucklehead and you know what

2556
01:52:11,460 --> 01:52:08,190
these beings these other you know

2557
01:52:13,860 --> 01:52:11,470
intelligences you know their attitude is

2558
01:52:16,530 --> 01:52:13,870
why should I reveal myself and these

2559
01:52:18,780 --> 01:52:16,540
amazing things you know to this guy or

2560
01:52:20,610 --> 01:52:18,790
that lady you know you don't even have

2561
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:20,620
the knowledge of what their motives are

2562
01:52:26,810 --> 01:52:25,450
do we rely I think no I think actually

2563
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:26,820
in some cases if you look historically

2564
01:52:31,650 --> 01:52:29,110
some of those motives are you know out

2565
01:52:33,570 --> 01:52:31,660
in the open it's unless you accept what

2566
01:52:35,730 --> 01:52:33,580
they're saying is true yes because that

2567
01:52:38,190 --> 01:52:35,740
gets into the other subject which is do

2568
01:52:40,230 --> 01:52:38,200
these entities just deceive us for their

2569
01:52:42,450 --> 01:52:40,240
own ends they can come and say heck

2570
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:42,460
we're here to save the earth from

2571
01:52:47,340 --> 01:52:44,650
planetary destruction because of the

2572
01:52:49,140 --> 01:52:47,350
dangers to our environment yeah some do

2573
01:52:51,930 --> 01:52:49,150
but just because some do doesn't mean

2574
01:52:54,150 --> 01:52:51,940
all do and and gosh we've had

2575
01:52:56,910 --> 01:52:54,160
Dorries since time began you know of

2576
01:52:59,610 --> 01:52:56,920
these beings called gods who's you know

2577
01:53:01,320 --> 01:52:59,620
some meant us harm and some meant us

2578
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:01,330
good I mean look at the Greek the

2579
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:04,810
stories of the Greek pantheon you know

2580
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:07,920
look at look at the Odyssey a you know

2581
01:53:14,370 --> 01:53:12,250
Athena took mercy on Odysseus when the

2582
01:53:15,930 --> 01:53:14,380
rest of the gods on Olympus yeah didn't

2583
01:53:18,209 --> 01:53:15,940
care and a few of them were just so

2584
01:53:19,979 --> 01:53:18,219
pissed off at him that they were you

2585
01:53:21,630 --> 01:53:19,989
know giving him a hard time there's a

2586
01:53:23,729 --> 01:53:21,640
story right there you know where did

2587
01:53:26,490 --> 01:53:23,739
that come from so who are the gods on

2588
01:53:28,830 --> 01:53:26,500
Olympus well the Greek gods Aphrodite

2589
01:53:30,750 --> 01:53:28,840
yeah but you know what I mean who were

2590
01:53:33,209 --> 01:53:30,760
they really you know whether they were

2591
01:53:36,170 --> 01:53:33,219
advanced beings from another world or

2592
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:36,180
another dimension I happen to believe

2593
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:39,489
that to me the gods are real that they

2594
01:53:45,450 --> 01:53:43,090
are they are physical real entities with

2595
01:53:48,630 --> 01:53:45,460
their own personalities and one of them

2596
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:48,640
made herself known to me as I said

2597
01:53:53,459 --> 01:53:51,250
earlier saw her across the side of a

2598
01:53:55,170 --> 01:53:53,469
mountain and it was one of the most

2599
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:55,180
amazing things I have ever seen in my

2600
01:54:04,020 --> 01:53:59,440
life and I saw it she was there you know

2601
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:04,030
call me a nut I don't care because you

2602
01:54:10,340 --> 01:54:06,610
know saw it with my own eyes and I'm not

2603
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:10,350
crazy I may be crazy but I'm functional

2604
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:12,850
what we can go with that I think most of

2605
01:54:17,939 --> 01:54:15,760
us here are crazy but functional more or

2606
01:54:20,580 --> 01:54:17,949
less Walter what do you think what

2607
01:54:22,740 --> 01:54:20,590
ultimately what do you think is behind

2608
01:54:25,470 --> 01:54:22,750
all this stuff you're talking about all

2609
01:54:28,050 --> 01:54:25,480
the UFO stuff is it an intelligence is

2610
01:54:30,630 --> 01:54:28,060
it's something that we form ourselves is

2611
01:54:32,420 --> 01:54:30,640
it a combination of the two or what do

2612
01:54:35,070 --> 01:54:32,430
you think is all the newly between

2613
01:54:37,890 --> 01:54:35,080
behind the big picture stuff or behind

2614
01:54:39,870 --> 01:54:37,900
just the UFO mystery maybe more more the

2615
01:54:41,490 --> 01:54:39,880
UFO stuff but also the bigger picture

2616
01:54:44,010 --> 01:54:41,500
mystery because because they're they're

2617
01:54:45,930 --> 01:54:44,020
connected okay here's the thing what's

2618
01:54:48,260 --> 01:54:45,940
behind UFOs are the following

2619
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:48,270
yes extraterrestrials from other planets

2620
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:50,080
yes

2621
01:54:54,900 --> 01:54:53,050
hidden technology that's a very human

2622
01:54:58,380 --> 01:54:54,910
and its origin from this planet

2623
01:55:02,970 --> 01:54:58,390
yes beings from other dimensions and yes

2624
01:55:03,689 --> 01:55:02,980
very big time the idea of ourselves from

2625
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:03,699
the future

2626
01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:05,370
time traveling it's I

2627
01:55:10,130 --> 01:55:08,370
all of the above exactly I can go with

2628
01:55:13,460 --> 01:55:10,140
that and I'm not saying that as a

2629
01:55:15,980 --> 01:55:13,470
cop-out I sincerely I sincerely think

2630
01:55:18,740 --> 01:55:15,990
that's the answer it is all these things

2631
01:55:20,510 --> 01:55:18,750
that's why the et religion people need

2632
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:20,520
to calm down a little bit no one's

2633
01:55:24,230 --> 01:55:22,050
trying to take their little ball or

2634
01:55:25,670 --> 01:55:24,240
their lollipop away from them no one's

2635
01:55:29,420 --> 01:55:25,680
trying to tell them the Santa Claus

2636
01:55:33,020 --> 01:55:29,430
doesn't exist their theory yes is true

2637
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:33,030
my dad's story about you know in with

2638
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:34,890
you know Joseph Farrell's saying about a

2639
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:37,050
very human earth-based Orient yes that's

2640
01:55:39,740 --> 01:55:37,770
true

2641
01:55:42,170 --> 01:55:39,750
beings from other dimensions oh yes

2642
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:42,180
that's true too and beings across time

2643
01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:43,260
you betcha

2644
01:55:47,300 --> 01:55:46,080
all of this and and because you can

2645
01:55:49,070 --> 01:55:47,310
point to if and that's another

2646
01:55:50,900 --> 01:55:49,080
conversation but we can point to all

2647
01:55:54,530 --> 01:55:50,910
sorts of evidence that what I'm saying

2648
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:54,540
is likely so you know the people who get

2649
01:56:00,770 --> 01:55:57,690
spun up over you know well it what

2650
01:56:02,540 --> 01:56:00,780
cracks me up about you know some people

2651
01:56:04,820 --> 01:56:02,550
who get hypercritical of anything but

2652
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:04,830
their own is it's like a bunch of guys

2653
01:56:09,820 --> 01:56:07,290
in the loony bin you know all fighting

2654
01:56:12,050 --> 01:56:09,830
over you know they're not the crazy one

2655
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:12,060
you know and the guy outside the loony

2656
01:56:17,660 --> 01:56:13,650
bin is just looking at it going what the

2657
01:56:21,380 --> 01:56:17,670
hell you know and that reduces itself to

2658
01:56:23,330 --> 01:56:21,390
and you know it's I you know my

2659
01:56:25,580 --> 01:56:23,340
experiences I've had I'll tell you

2660
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certain ones I have no doubt what I

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01:56:31,130 --> 01:56:28,500
experienced and it's kind of an

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01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:31,140
interesting freedom it's liberating that

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01:56:38,210 --> 01:56:34,170
I honestly don't give a crap what a

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01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:38,220
limited mind or a smug mind I think

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01:56:43,610 --> 01:56:40,410
that's worse than just being limited

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01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:43,620
I think smugness you know when you're

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01:56:49,100 --> 01:56:45,930
limited a smug limited mind to me is

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01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:49,110
just worse that's yeah that's toxic I

2669
01:56:53,450 --> 01:56:51,330
don't I don't like to be around that but

2670
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:53,460
that look like the UFO field is toxic to

2671
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:55,050
a lot of people I've left it three times

2672
01:57:00,140 --> 01:56:57,840
by the way over the years and we call

2673
01:57:02,180 --> 01:57:00,150
this show not the UFO cast but the power

2674
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:02,190
cast for rehab because it's not just

2675
01:57:07,430 --> 01:57:05,730
UFOs right hey where do our listeners

2676
01:57:09,260 --> 01:57:07,440
find out more of the things that you're

2677
01:57:13,810 --> 01:57:09,270
doing and what you're working on any

2678
01:57:17,870 --> 01:57:13,820
website or something well my book is

2679
01:57:20,540 --> 01:57:17,880
available as a PDF I can send

2680
01:57:22,669 --> 01:57:20,550
a way to link it if you don't want me to

2681
01:57:24,740 --> 01:57:22,679
mention the website because it is a

2682
01:57:27,470 --> 01:57:24,750
website that's associated with another

2683
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:27,480
show I'll tell you what we'll do here

2684
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:30,239
why don't you send the link and I will

2685
01:57:35,780 --> 01:57:32,610
post it on the power cast com give our

2686
01:57:37,850 --> 01:57:35,790
listeners a chance to check it out Greg

2687
01:57:39,860 --> 01:57:37,860
Bishop this is your first time as

2688
01:57:41,570 --> 01:57:39,870
co-host where can our listeners learn

2689
01:57:44,209 --> 01:57:41,580
more about the things that you're up to

2690
01:57:45,709 --> 01:57:44,219
well lately I've been much up to much of

2691
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:45,719
anything because I think I might be

2692
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:47,250
going through that period you were just

2693
01:57:50,930 --> 01:57:48,810
talking about where you get sick of it

2694
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:50,940
but if they want to check out what I

2695
01:57:54,740 --> 01:57:53,280
have done and might all my statements up

2696
01:57:58,129 --> 01:57:54,750
to this point they can check out

2697
01:58:02,750 --> 01:57:58,139
obviously UFO mystic that I write at

2698
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:02,760
with along with Nick Redfern Lesley

2699
01:58:08,740 --> 01:58:05,040
Gunter God how many people are on there

2700
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:08,750
now Scott Corrales Regan Lee and

2701
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:11,850
excluded middle comm that's where my

2702
01:58:18,020 --> 01:58:13,920
magazine that I started in the early 90s

2703
01:58:20,990 --> 01:58:18,030
is is housed right now and of course the

2704
01:58:22,430 --> 01:58:21,000
radio show radio Mysterio so and the

2705
01:58:27,740 --> 01:58:22,440
Mysterio so is spelled like in Spanish

2706
01:58:29,180 --> 01:58:27,750
mi STR i OS o comm they can find shows

2707
01:58:31,629 --> 01:58:29,190
there a lot of shows I've done with

2708
01:58:34,370 --> 01:58:31,639
Walter on there as a co-host in and also

2709
01:58:35,419 --> 01:58:34,380
as an interviewee and just us sitting a

2710
01:58:36,590 --> 01:58:35,429
lot of times he'll come in and we'll

2711
01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:36,600
just sit around and talk about whatever

2712
01:58:41,030 --> 01:58:39,330
we feel about like talking about so yeah

2713
01:58:42,919 --> 01:58:41,040
any of those places you can you you can

2714
01:58:45,470 --> 01:58:42,929
check that stuff out and see where I'm

2715
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:45,480
coming from well as they improve the GPS

2716
01:58:49,550 --> 01:58:47,760
system will know where you are will know

2717
01:58:51,709 --> 01:58:49,560
how to find you by the way ladies and

2718
01:58:54,500 --> 01:58:51,719
gentlemen on next week's episode

2719
01:58:56,090 --> 01:58:54,510
Kevin D Randle returns he'll be talking

2720
01:58:58,010 --> 01:58:56,100
about his new book called crash when

2721
01:59:00,590 --> 01:58:58,020
UFOs fall from the sky

2722
01:59:03,110 --> 01:59:00,600
Paul Kimball will be our co-host Chris

2723
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:03,120
O'Brien should also be aboard and we'll

2724
01:59:08,540 --> 01:59:05,850
ask Kevin about whether those UFO

2725
01:59:10,490 --> 01:59:08,550
crashes fall on specific ley lines what

2726
01:59:12,830 --> 01:59:10,500
does he think about that a special thank

2727
01:59:15,320 --> 01:59:12,840
you to Walter Bosley and of course to

2728
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:15,330
Greg Bishop thank you both for making

2729
01:59:20,330 --> 01:59:17,850
this a special occasion on the

2730
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:20,340
our caste thanks gene Thank You gene I

2731
01:59:26,900 --> 01:59:24,960
appreciate being on again the pair test

2732
01:59:29,330 --> 01:59:26,910
is a calculated presentation of making

2733
01:59:31,820 --> 01:59:29,340
the impossible incorporated tune in next

2734
01:59:33,340 --> 01:59:31,830
week for a new adventure in the para

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01:59:53,570 --> 01:59:33,350
caste